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Poor Tom Queallys face as he was lead into the winners enclosure said it all i"m afraid!
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Poor Tom Queallys face as he was lead into the winners enclosure said it all i"m afraid!
He knew they’d make an example cause of the French horse.
Did you have Special Duty? I hope so after all them bets on Workforce.
Poor Tom Queallys face as he was lead into the winners enclosure said it all i"m afraid!
He knew they’d make an example cause of the French horse.
Did you have Special Duty? I hope so after all them bets on Workforce.
I was on Seta,but i like to see class form prevail!
Feel so sorry for Noel Martin the owner, having just told us a sad story about hoiw the horse got its name etc, for the result to be revised, he looked inconsolable, people wiping away tears.
What a horrific Guineas weekend is/was.
Poor owner of the 2nd was pouring his guts out and then we get to see the man’s heart basically drop when the result came through. Mike Catt was rushed and sounded dis-interested prob due to the men behind the scenes telling him to wrap it up.
The race was just a joke…What a dire division of Fillies it really is though at a mile. Just a shocking weekend all round
I, too, have a liking for an overpriced outsider.
A Henry Cecil 66/1 shot in a classic stands out. Whilst it scored well on the speed-stamina index, was on the favoured side and had evidence of potential liking for cut on the dam’s side, I agreed with you Bulwark, just couldn’t give it a chance on the book.
Note to self: don’t worry too much about the form of a big priced Cecil going into a big race.
I’m glad I didn’t have to feel sickened by the stewards as you must have Moehat – but still, nice spot and hopefully the place paid well.
Following the gamble, I had a tiny on Gile Na Greine but not unfortunately a place.
I was, maybe, scuppered by the split but I don’t think you can legislate for them to have to run in a straight line. Tactics and track bias inference, etc, etc, are all part of the myriad of factors that make the game the love-hate mistress she is, what makes her fascinating, what means she has colourful odds.
On the disqualification I just say that any set of rules is bound to have an element of discretion inherent in the position of those who decide upon the application of those rules.
So who was the owner of the disqualified? The guy in the wheelchair? He was saying a lot of strange stuff when interviewed on CH4.
I bet the French can’t believe they got a classic in an English stewards room! Yeah Head’s reaction was one of thinly veiled disbelief. Can anyone name the last time it happened the other way around in France?
Yes Norman Martin. I found it quite strange how Cattermole stuck a mike right up under his nose and just let him waffle on for ages. He said some bad stuff about ch4 I think. With the timing of the announcement of the disqualifaction it was if as if someone had said put a mike on him, if he’s spouting strange stuff give it to the French. Henry Cecil seemed a bit weird too. He didn’t look well.
I think betting on the Guineas is becoming almost impossible since the winters have got so harsh.
5 Placed out of 6 over 12/1 and 2 past the post at 66/1 and 33/1
I, too, have a liking for an overpriced outsider.
A Henry Cecil 66/1 shot in a classic stands out. Whilst it scored well on the speed-stamina index, was on the favoured side and had evidence of potential liking for cut on the dam’s side, I agreed with you Bulwark, just couldn’t give it a chance on the book.
Note to self: don’t worry too much about the form of a big priced Cecil going into a big race.
I’m glad I didn’t have to feel sickened by the stewards as you must have Moehat – but still, nice spot and hopefully the place paid well.
Following the gamble, I had a tiny on Gile Na Greine but not unfortunately a place.
I was, maybe, scuppered by the split but I don’t think you can legislate for them to have to run in a straight line. Tactics and track bias inference, etc, etc, are all part of the myriad of factors that make the game the love-hate mistress she is, what makes her fascinating, what means she has colourful odds.
On the disqualification I just say that any set of rules is bound to have an element of discretion inherent in the position of those who decide upon the application of those rules.
So who was the owner of the disqualified? The guy in the wheelchair? He was saying a lot of strange stuff when interviewed on CH4.
I bet the French can’t believe they got a classic in an English stewards room! Yeah Head’s reaction was one of thinly veiled disbelief. Can anyone name the last time it happened the other way around in France?
Yes Norman Martin. I found it quite strange how Cattermole stuck a mike right up under his nose and just let him waffle on for ages. He said some bad stuff about ch4 I think. With the timing of the announcement of the disqualifaction it was if as if someone had said put a mike on him, if he’s spouting strange stuff give it to the French. Henry Cecil seemed a bit weird too. He didn’t look well.
That "Strange Stuff" he was talking about was basically his life, how he named the horse, his wife, his injury, if you looked up his wikipedia page youll find out more about him, he looked broken when they announced it, understandably criquitte is happy but I think she could of least had some consolable words for the connections of JQ, I hope this horse gets what she deserves now, not just for herself, but for Noel Martin.
I know the rule book has been applied to the letter of the law in this instance but, I can’t help but feel that the placings should have stood, and here’s why:
during the final stages of the race, my initial thoughts were that Tom Queally, on realising that Special Duty was now a huge threat on his outside, and was gaining momentum with each stride, made a slight manoeuvre towards the French filly in order to unbalance her and thus engage in a protracted battle to the line – however, when viewing the head on, and even allowing for such a supposition, it was obvious that contact, if any, was minimal, and in my view, did not make Special Duty slow down or hinder her chance in any way. I concur with John Francome and support his view entirely – even though Jim McGrath took the opposing view.
I felt thoroughly sorry for Henry Cecil and the owner. Both looked utterly dejected. Did I hear Mr Martin say he was put in a wheelchair as a result of being attacked by a neo-Nazi ?
Anyhow, rules may be rules and all that, but in this instance, I feel strongly that that Henry Cecil’s filly should have kept the race.
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Poor Tom Queallys face as he was lead into the winners enclosure said it all i"m afraid!
He knew they’d make an example cause of the French horse.
Did you have Special Duty? I hope so after all them bets on Workforce.
I was on Seta,but i like to see class form prevail!
I said it shouldn’t have gone 5’s in this thread and put 2 quid on when it did, so i didn’t lose on my £3 each way on Blue Maiden, but it still bothers me.
What a rotten outcome to the race; feel so sorry for everyone concerned. However, I didn’t realise that Cecils horse had lost the race till I was on my way home, and I’d collected my money anyway. Felt rotten about that as well [must be the only person in the history of racing to feel guilty about taking money from a bookie], until I realised that they pay ‘first past the post’ on small bets.Perhaps a bit of hubris after Sam Sharp losing by a whisker at Nottingham. Henrys’ horses seem to be running very well at the moment..Sam Sharp and the horse that
he dead heated with broke the course record at Nottingham the other night. However, feel totally deflated by the whole event.
That "Strange Stuff" he was talking about was basically his life, how he named the horse, his wife, his injury, if you looked up his wikipedia page youll find out more about him, he looked broken when they announced it, understandably criquitte is happy but I think she could of least had some consolable words for the connections of JQ, I hope this horse gets what she deserves now, not just for herself, but for Noel Martin.
So now I looked up his wiki page. Confirms what I thought – he’s had some previous with Ch4. Our story’s exactly the same – Ch4 involved, authorities find against Martin. No smoke without fire I guess.
After they went past the post was sick as backed SD since november and thought i got done by a nose. 20mins later was so happy result got changed as well.And after seeing the head on at sportinglife right call it was
Feel sorry for Cecil as well.
Special Duty and after the win i have no problem in getting praise in the 1st member here to mention her.When i asked Zarkava about Colnial and Special Duty.
Oh dear….
See mate told you i was right after all
I feel a bit sick about laying off £220 of my SD winnings on Jacqueline during the Stewards’ Enquiry betting, but that it just a combination of my greed and conservatism – two of my primary characteristics.
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The inexplicable draw bias makes accurate analysis of the race difficult, but with Principal Role undermining the Nell Gwyn form in the Pretty Polly it has to be said that this was an appalling 1000 Guineas.
As far as the amended result goes, there isn’t a single piece of evidence that would suggest that Special Duty would
definitely
have won without the attentions of the eventual runner-up. Indeed, her jockey wasn’t prevented from riding out at any stage and she had plenty of time to go on and win the race if capable of doing so; Jacqueline’s Quest found more when challenged and was more than deserving of victory.
One of the stewards was interviewed after the decision was announced and stated that it wasn’t difficult to assume that Special Duty ‘would probably have won’ had she not been ‘forced’ across the track. Probably? Are you not supposed to be sure? Whose to say that Special Duty wouldn’t have drifted to her left without Jacqueline’s Quest on her inside?
There was more than enough doubt to leave the result as it was and I don’t doubt for a second that Special Duty would have kept the race had roles been reversed.
I know the rule book has been applied to the letter of the law in this instance but, I can’t help but feel that the placings should have stood, and here’s why:
during the final stages of the race, my initial thoughts were that Tom Queally, on realising that Special Duty was now a huge threat on his outside, and was gaining momentum with each stride, made a slight manoeuvre towards the French filly in order to unbalance her and thus engage in a protracted battle to the line – however, when viewing the head on, and even allowing for such a supposition, it was obvious that contact, if any, was minimal, and in my view, did not make Special Duty slow down or hinder her chance in any way. I concur with John Francome and support his view entirely – even though Jim McGrath took the opposing view.
I felt thoroughly sorry for Henry Cecil and the owner. Both looked utterly dejected. Did I hear Mr Martin say he was put in a wheelchair as a result of being attacked by a neo-Nazi ?
Anyhow, rules may be rules and all that, but in this instance, I feel strongly that that Henry Cecil’s filly should have kept the race.
Himself,the Cecil filly affected Special Dutys stride just as she was lengthening she held back for a split second and that cost her the race!The result was affected by Jacqueline Quests manouvres across the course,had the winning margin been 1/2l then she would have kept it!
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