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- May 2, 2010 at 18:20 #293703
Problem is with this is the complete inconsistency in Ireland and the UK regarding this rule.
France we know it straight away.
Over here its a complete lottery.
May 2, 2010 at 18:35 #293708Dear armchair. There can never be sufficient evidence that a horse would have won any race apart from winning the race in fact.All conclusions after the race must be hypothetical.If this then that so to speak.However taking a horse’s ground does not require the stewards to conclude that the horse would have won had his ground not been taken; that would require the wisdom of the ages.To bump a horse and force him to leave his ground(at the business end of a race) and seek another way to the finish is normally sufficient reason for putting the bumper behind the horse bumped(dangerous,reckless,careless riding at a minimum).Winning by a nose while bumping the other horse leaves very little discretion with the stewards.In this case the fact that Queally changed his whip into his left hand thus forcing his horse into the other horse did not improve his cause.
May 2, 2010 at 22:01 #293802As an unbiased observer I fell I need to add my twopenn’orth!!
Tom Queally was definitely in the wrong!! The horse had already jinked towards Special Duty before Queally swapped his whip into his left hand and then "surprise surprise" the horse goes further right!! A brainless decision in my opinion which gave the Stewards no choice when an enquiry was announced.The decision was made for them and it was inevitable that the placings would be reversed and as for Francome saying it would keep the race and that the best horse won he must be dreaming!!Right decision and bad luck for Henry but that is racing!!
May 2, 2010 at 22:15 #293804Dear armchair. There can never be sufficient evidence that a horse would have won any race apart from winning the race in fact.All conclusions after the race must be hypothetical.If this then that so to speak.However taking a horse’s ground does not require the stewards to conclude that the horse would have won had his ground not been taken; that would require the wisdom of the ages.To bump a horse and force him to leave his ground(at the business end of a race) and seek another way to the finish is normally sufficient reason for putting the bumper behind the horse bumped(dangerous,reckless,careless riding at a minimum).Winning by a nose while bumping the other horse leaves very little discretion with the stewards.In this case the fact that Queally changed his whip into his left hand thus forcing his horse into the other horse did not improve his cause.
So can you please confirm that the stewards do not have to decide whether the result was affected or not when reversing placings in this instance?
Zip
May 3, 2010 at 13:57 #293912Dear armchair. There can never be sufficient evidence that a horse would have won any race apart from winning the race in fact.All conclusions after the race must be hypothetical.If this then that so to speak.However taking a horse’s ground does not require the stewards to conclude that the horse would have won had his ground not been taken; that would require the wisdom of the ages.To bump a horse and force him to leave his ground(at the business end of a race) and seek another way to the finish is normally sufficient reason for putting the bumper behind the horse bumped(dangerous,reckless,careless riding at a minimum).Winning by a nose while bumping the other horse leaves very little discretion with the stewards.In this case the fact that Queally changed his whip into his left hand thus forcing his horse into the other horse did not improve his cause.
Yes, I think if a head or a neck were between them, it would have been up for debate but this was an easy one for the stewards. Definitly the correct decision.
SHL
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