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I can get that from the Jockey Club…I will email them later, just popped in before I go racing….<br>But this has nothing to do with the fatalities at Wolverhampton..but I understand people have issues with fatalites in horseracing…maybe this could be a good debate on another post
A horse that would have a heart attack would just collapse and die, I have never known a horse to break a leg while having a heart attack…<br>I have emailed my friend who is a equine vet, to see what they say, might be worth it to get a professionals opinion on this..
Quote: from davidjohnson on 11:59 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]Ecollo isn’t your best example of a horse that wasn’t overraced. Although he may have had just 12 runs in 2 years, how many did he have in a fortnight?
That said I don’t think him being turned out quickly was in any way a factor in his sad demise.
One of the most interesting coincidences about it is that nearly all the horses that have been fatally injured have been favourites.<br>
True about Ecollo, but if his trainer did not think he was fit enough to run, he would not have, he had never been out of the frame since Oct, and he may of been a horse that did better on the track than at home….<br>{quote]Some figures on breakdowns in USA are:
Dirt 1.6% per starter <br>Turf 0.86 <br>Polytrack 0.58
Even though polytrack is safer on average that still means on USA figures, 1 horse breaks down every two polytrack meetings, on average. Runs of one or more horses breaking down in a series of meetings is quite likely as a probability statistic to occur within a season.
The other issue with Wolves is that they have used special deep (pad and cushion) harrowing this year to remove the inside bias due to compaction. If the track then recompacts unevenly by horses running in particular strips or by recent rain washing sand down cambers you get false (uneven support) ground and it is the latter which is dangerous for horse limbs. There is a huge stress on leading legs and those will be the nearside ones at Wolves. <br><br>But this is not racing in the USA, they race there horses hard, and they do have a higher rate in fatalities on the track….
From Animal Aid: Call for immediate suspension of horse racing at Wolverhampton following fifth equine fatality <br>Wolverhampton racecourse has just claimed the life of yet another horse – the fifth fatality since 6 November this year. The tragic circumstances surrounding the death of two-year-old Money For Fun were sickeningly predictable given that in the past few weeks, five horses have fallen at the track, nine have been brought down or were pulled up and one broke down after completing a race. Money For Fun was running in the ninety-eighth race meeting of the year – a record for a British track – when she broke her leg and fell, causing a five-horse pile up.
Animal Aid has today written letters to racing’s governing body, the Horseracing Regulatory Authority, and to the British Horseracing Board (the body responsible for racing’s fixtures), demanding that all racing at Wolverhampton is suspended with immediate effect and that a detailed inquiry is held into the deaths, with the results being made public.
Says Animal Aid’s Horse Racing Consultant, Dene Stansall:
‘Wolverhampton Racecourse is playing Russian roulette with the safety and lives of horses and jockeys alike. How many more injuries and fatalities will it take before the regulators assume control of the situation? Animal Aid calls for an immediate ban on racing at Wolverhampton in order to prevent more deaths.’
These people would do anything to get racing stopped, and maybe for once we should listen to them, the welfare of the horse and jockey is the most important thing…
Dale Gibson did not ride in the first race it was a non, runner, to which there are a few there tonight…<br>
with the right treatment and care the horse can have a excellent return, he is only 5, so has time on his side….where the other 2 are older horses and there injuries was a bit more than a strain..<br>It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is…
Quote: from empty wallet on 9:29 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]racingirl
And do not treat me as though i am some muppet
Mantle ran Aug 31st, Sep 18th, Oct 2nd then a six week gap
<br>Just because you have ridden a horse in a race does not make you an expert on racing <br>
<br>well stop talking to me like one!!<br>Look at the form of most Fanshawe runners, he likes to give them time after there races, like most good trainers should do…and horses are entilted to a break…for what ever reasons..most decent trainers will give them at least 10 days between races, most horses are given 2/3 days off after a race, then it takes them a few days back to peak and also there is the race planning..
And I never said I have ridden in a race! <br>
And to add, these horses was not over raced..<br>Mantle had only 6 runs in 2 seasons… Money for Fun had 7 runs this season and Montage had 14 runs over 2 seasons, Eccollo had 12 runs over 2 seasons, La Via Ferrata had 15 runs over 2 seasons and Mad Maurice had 12 runs over 4 seasons..
If you look at Mantles form there is always a 4/6 week gap between runs, I guess the trainer (James Fanshawe) was looking after the horse, and a horse breaking a leg or breaking down like this horse is not jockey error, out of all those killed in action, only one was due to clipped heels and that was Eccollo , so please don’t tell me i am talking b*****ks
, racing is one thing I know about!! <br>Money for fun ran 10 days earlier which is about the right time for a flat run and Montage ran 4 weeks before, so don’t try that one with me…some trainer run there horses 2/3 times a months and nothing happens…any surface can only take so much racing, and it needs to be maintained to the highest standard, Wolverhampton has had more meetings than any other course, its taken majority of the Great Leigh fixtures…they need to look at the surface and whats under the surface…
It has been reported this morning that Star De Mohaison out for season with tendon injury. Its a blow to the stable and for Robert Ogden, but he is young enough to bounce back from this, he will have box rest for at least 3 months, then will be turned away till next summer and will be bought back for next season…He has had a scan and was found to have a strain on the tendon on his near-fore…this type of injury if caught early enough is not life/career threatening..
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Quote: from empty wallet on 7:45 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]You cannot compare a incidents like this to a tuft track or jumping,
Why not?
You compared the surface to Good to Firm
Anyway enough from me
<br>Just been stated on Sky, Dale’s Gibson is happy to ride so there yer go
<br>(Edited by empty wallet at 7:57 am on Dec. 13, 2006)<br>
Cause a turf track rides completley different and a jump track has jumps and has different kind of injuries….I have ridden on turf and AW and both ride differntly, I only said good to firm has it was the nearest thing, I could have said like a road…
It would not surprise me if people like Animal aid are going to be there, they will do anything to destroy racing, this is just more fuel in the fire
This is quoted from the Racing Post:
<br>CLERK of the course Fergus Cameron on Tuesday night expressedconfidence that Wolverhampton is fit for racing today, despite Monday’s five-horse pile-up, the latest in a spate of recent falls at the track.
Among those present to monitor events will be HRA inspector of courses Nick Carlisle, while jockeys’ safetyofficer, Dale Gibson, who has a mount in the opening race, said he had no reservations about riding.
Following six incidents in five weeks, trainer Gay Kelleway has claimed “someone is going to get killed unless something is done about itâ€ÂÂ
not all courses, most now are privatley owned, by arena or othe companies…I know they get some money back.<br>I did not mean that in a bad way, so please dont have a go at me, I was just stating there is more to it than betting..I have worked in the Horse Racing industry for over 20 years…<br>anyway back to the subject…<br>I think they need to look into it a lot deeper, and until any issue is raised close the track..
Wolverhampton have 4 more meetings before Christmas, next one is tomorrow, which in my opinion should be boycotted, safety of the horse and jockey should come first…
Quote: from FlatSeasonLover on 12:28 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br] If so what does this mean for punters? <br>
<br>is that all you can think about? Not all people are into the money side, what about the owner of the horse, the owners of last nights horse are very nice people, who are upset (friend used to work at Stan Moores) and what about the lad/lass who looks after these horses, they get distraught, they live and breath these beautiful creatures…<br>Wolverhampton is tight, but not as tight as some of the American tracks that have polytrack and they have less injuries….
This is a quote from the Racing Post:<br>Jockey Hayley Turner <br>“It is happening so often that it is a worry. The track is riding a lot quicker than usual and is becoming a bit of a hazard. It has been mild and the track has not be harrowed as much as usual, which may or may not be a factor and many more are thinking the same…<br>If the jockeys have any sense the will not ride there until the course has been seen to….
