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So You Think very impressive on Monday, but have clocked him at a modest 71++ time figure, plenty to do to challenge the likes of Workforce.
Jim’s comments on Frankel –
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His blistering speed, allied to that exuberant nature, raised doubts as to what he’ll actually be able to achieve in the months ahead. It’s now hard to think that he’ll be able to follow in Sea The Stars’ footsteps
(his racing character is completely different) and more likely that he’ll be kept to distances around 1m.
Still, this performance, backed up by a Timeform timefigure of 136 (one of the fastest ever recorded), gives plenty of credence to the view that he’s already one of the best horses yours truly has been privileged to see. The St James’s Palace Stakes at Ascot, followed by the Sussex Stakes, looks the natural route to go now. Fingers crossed he stays in one piece.
Beforehand, he behaved in similar fashion to Newbury, led around with a lip chain, a shade warm between his legs but perfectly behaved. In full cry, he’s captivating. Along with Assert and Galileo, he’s one of the best movers I’ve seen, blessed with a simply magnificent action……"
Surprised at Jim’s comments. On the one hand he’s saying one of the best he’s seen. On the other, he appears to be saying Frankel has burnt himself out after Saturday’s effort.
Think Jim is missing a salient point that he made himself – that Frankel is one of the best. So whilst he had a race on Saturday,
Frankel will almost certainly improve again
in the months ahead now that Tom Queally knows the true power of the horse.
It is completely wrong to suggest that Frankel is a headstrong sort who is not amenable to restraint. He has been restrained all his life, and even on Saturday, he only went the speed that his jockey asked for – and Queally didn’t think he was going very fast.
Frankel has an enviable temperament, very relaxed in the paddock, set alight on the racecourse, just like Sea The Stars.
His mouthwatering encounters with Canford Cliffs and Goldikova will prove he is an outstanding champion.
not disagreeing with either Admiral or Ginger.
Frankel was astonishing time figure.
So You Think very ordinary time figure for a Group contest, but obvious to anyone that does not mean he is not a smart horse.
visually very impressive, but winning time slow – no more than 4 lengths quicker than the 65 rated 5yo Casbah Rock in the following handicap.
Can anyone please confirm whether the ground was riding soft at the Curragh yesterday, or was it as reported, Good to Firm, but racing into a headwind?
…….I looked at the closing 1m race to and saw that a OR89 horse won it by a short head in the same time as the fourth placed horse which is 101. There is the doubt what did the placed horse run to. ……
An interesting comparison, finnesko, but you are making the assumption that both Slim Shadey ran to a mark of 101 and the closing handicap winner ran to a mark of 87 (carrying 9-01).
I would venture that in reality, Slim Shadey is very badly treated off a mark of 101 (never earned a timefigure better than 82 as a 2yo from me), so cannot possibly be competitive off that mark ….. whereas Bahceli ran 1lb above his mark on timefigures, though will almost certainly get a bigger rise than that for winning a warm little handicap.
finesko, apparently always difficult to prove fraud or negligence in a court of law, so agree that even borderline cases could not be pursued.
But where it is palpable error or clear case of 100% negligence, in most of walks of life, the victim has a right to be compensated.
It can be argued that the punter contributes to the betting levy, and thereby contributes to jockeys wages and owners/trainers prize money amongst other things.
Hence there can be considered to be some sort of "duty of care" in this "contract".
It is in the rules of racing and indicated in a sign in every racecourse weighing room in the country – every jockey must know the course.
Someone mentioned that this was a first ride for Carberry at the track. I would have thought that an even greater incentive for Carberry to have walked the course beforehand, let alone read a course map. Knowing where the start and winning posts are ought to be number 1 on his check list
He appears to have ignored his responsibility to owner, trainer, punters etc to possibly do this as well.
about time that the BHA introduced rules allowing the betting public to sue jockeys for negligence who are found guilty of this sort of offence, sorry "mistake", as it keeps getting called.
Do you think any jockey would stop riding before the winning post, take the wrong course, miscount the number of circuits etc ….. ever again if they knew they could be brought to book for 100,000’s, even millions wagered on some races?
agree that Harbinger was a sensational performance in the King George, and rated it accordingly.
But at WFA, Frankel’s run on Saturday still comes out superior by 8lbs.Goldikova I have awarded some of the best figures by a miler in the last few years, but were she to take on Frankel in say the Sussex Stakes, she would have to give him 3lbs. Even her best speed figure when beating Aqlaam 6 lengths in the 2009 Jacques Le Marois will leave her 4-5 lengths off Frankel giving him 3lbs.
Personally think Frankel has nothing to prove now over a mile against the 3yos, and may as well take in the Derby to see if he can join the immortal group of Sea Bird et al. If it doesn’t work out, can have a break until an autumn campaign over a mile against Canford Cliffs and Goldikova.
surprised at some of the knockers of Frankel on this thread.
There were detractors before the race and appears there are still some left despite an astonishing win.
Amazed at the comments that the horse has "temperament" and won’t go on. Pretty clear that the horse has a very docile temperament, easy to handle, and only gets lit up on the racecourse because he wants to show how good he is. Saturday was the first chance he’s been given to stride on at his own pace and not be restrained to that of mere mortals ….. and we all saw the result.
Am a great fan of Goldikova and Canford Cliffs. But they will be obliterated should they meet Frankel.
Fwiw, have given Frankel the highest rating (133+) given to a horse in 8-9 years of trying to do time figures.
