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Gingertipster,
Firstly 3yo wins are resticted races,then you go on about sour grapes or listening to ‘your press’.If you bothered to read my post, i said he may well be judged the best in future, i never mentioned So You Think was either the best or a world beater.My points are fact based,3yo’s dont always train on or are found out up against the best older horses. A lot said Workforce was the best horse around, So You Think beat him, so i suppose my point is not to look at things in a prematurely biased way through rose coloured glasses. I think Frankel could prove himself one of the best ever,but we will have to wait and see.So You Think has won some of the best group 1 races in 3 countries, Goldikova has won 14 of them, and no a 3yo can never be given the tag as the best.Maybe the best 3yo or ‘may’ have been the best but anything else is naive and premature.
My mistake, i actually meant one Group 1 win against other than 3 yo’s. Canford Cliffs was retired due to a leg injury out of that race,and running to the outside fence means he was nowhere near his best.Goldikova yes beaten when she met Canford Cliffs last time,but her overall record is superior and he had the sitting shot at her,then again if she was English instead of French she would be rated higher! To be judged fairly we will have to wait and see what Frankel does as a 4yo, he may well be that good,when he can beat sound seasoned genuine G1 performers as easily as he has won his races thats when he deserves such accolades.In any case to be’the best ever seen’ or similar he has to run further otherwise it has to be tempered with the word ‘miler’.Though i suppose that is a grey area, as some will only bestow the mantle of the best on 10-12f horses. For instance if Black Caviar took all before her this prep and then went overseas and did the same would she deserve the tag as ‘the best ever’ or similar? No most likely not being a sprinter,though i think in the distance argument each person has valid reasons as to why.I tend to think most deserved may be the 10-12f horses but then again maybe pound for pound is the way to judge,thats what opinions are all about i suppose.
Gingertipster,
In relation to Steven Arnold’s ride on Star Witness in the Kings Stand you are talking ill informed rubbish. The horse was slow to begin, which is not the first time this has happened. Arnold rated him beautifully after the slow start and worked his way into a winning position at the furlong. Prohibit probably came from behind Star Witness to beat him, the effort after a slow start was the telling factor. But most of all you question Arnolds strength in a finish!!! Are you for real? Arnold is as strong in a finish as any rider in the world, go and educate yourself in regards to jockeys and rides before you make ridiculous comments.It is also quite premature and naive for so many to say Frankel is the best horse they have seen. I mean 1 group 1 win against a lame horse! When you consider all the great horses that have been about and won many group 1’s, maybe it is a biased English thing hoping he is. Pure and simple if you put ‘potentially’ in front of ‘best horse’ that is reasonable, but after one G1 against a lame horse, all those saying the ‘best ever’ or similar are very very naive.