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True, Steve, that’s a point  I didn’t deal with: France’s best result for a while was a 1:0 away against Ireland, hardly scary form, but that should be tempered by the fact that Brazil, for example, have been all over the show in qualifiers before and strolled to World Cup success. The "battle" or "fight" the team has remains to be seen, I’d like to think they are still embarassed by being done over in 2002. But that’s in the price, of course.
The only other team I liked is… England, but to me they are regressing (especially tactically) and for all their fitness and team-spirit, still look likely to get walloped off one of the big boys in the later stages. If Sven gets it right they could win it, but I wouldn’t count on that at all.
I’d like to see a case made for another team…
Indeed, Insomniac: If "milk is brilliant", then "terrorists at a world cup game is rubbish", IMHO.
Just read your justification in the Lounge for the 4 wenches you’d "have" on a desert island, top drawer comments I have to say.
Yeah I’m not big on past performances for the purposes of the group stages, which is where any value should really be found. Past the 2nd round and the usual suspects agglutinate around the trophy with little variation – France are the new kids on the block in many respects, and I’m a tad surprised Henry hasn’t had more interest on the Golden Boot thread.
Anyway, if Iran perform I’ll be sitting pretty :crossfingers:, and if they don’t then fair play to Portugal as on paper they have the chance to qualify. Still think they’re quite an average outfit at World level and can’t see a great leap from them into the ranks of the 6 best teams in the world.<br>
(Edited by Interested Academic at 9:31 pm on June 4, 2006)
Agree with Goodfellas, I bet Henry Hill’s got through a few dollars in his time ;)
Scream – Courteney Cox is simply stunning :blush: :kiss:<br>Momma Mia.
I did like Memento with your man Guy Pearce, but god knows who did what and when. Well worth the effort to see your own mind going in reverse…
Would have to put up Shawshank Redemption. Trials of adversity, the sisters not being very nice, and of course the institutionalized sadness of the poor old guy (forgotten his name!) who can’t cope with the outside world on release. Also good scenes on carving chess pieces.
Am sure there are more but bugger me I can barely remember the last one I watched never mind one from years ago!
(Edited by Interested Academic at 11:48 pm on May 11, 2006)
It’s a yes! :biggrin:  My god I’ve got one right! Come on!<br>Am terrible at pub quizzes though :shhh:<br>
125/1 freely available!! A mere 40s with Betfred, this nippy trickster may well plunder a few if those old stagers Owen and Rooney fail to get match sharpness. :biggrin:
I read them all with interest, Roland if you’ve got the T.Cruise looks you’ll be a winner with ease lol ;) <br>Brutal honesty EC, kudos; dave jay fancy doin some of my research? There’s a beer in it :biggrin: <br>Cheers aragorn, yeah my typing output has dipped dramatically since I went down TRF route – work? What work? Now where’s the next class 2 running…<br>davidbrady that huge calculator freaks me out, but yeah I ‘missed’ Princess Nada today at 7’1, was not a happy bunny, so maybe roland can send me the money, not just show it to me! MIssing a fancy surely means the money side has some value personally, but not for borroughhill ;) <br>simon you know where I am…<br>Clivex, no – a hunch punt is not as satisfying as working one out ‘properly’ I suppose, good point. Asset is not a hunch, there, the curse is well and truly on that poor fellow :boxer:<br>And Librettist, Jade Goody LOL, losses are part and parcel I suppose, I once went on a longer losing run than Quixall Crossett and it was not pretty, but I got back on the horse, so to speak, the search for a winner is too hard to resist, damn it!
Thanks all, happy for more contributions whenever the urge is there…Now over to the next thread…
Bartender…a Peroni please :writing:
Thanks The Market Man and jackane24, indeed, the personality side of things is often hidden away, despite the many finely tuned tangents sampled in this cozy yet often rumbustious setting ;)
I agree TMM it’s defo a mix of epic proportions and I suppose a different emphasis (money/puzzle) will light the candle of different people – I wonder why people "chase" a loss when they know fine well they shouldn’t – I think 99% of us have done that – are we chasing the money because we really can’t bear the loss of a £1.50 bet :o  or is it because we thought we were right and are more peeved than Imelda Marcos having to shop in a dowdy high-street shoe store that we were, in fact, wrong? :yikes:
Jackane s**t
ting winners :knight: is a thought which must drive us all onwards but absolutely, enjoying the race-tension sometimes beats the bother of doing the jigsaw, perhaps a great reason why the sport offers so much to a fair number of people hey?My ‘horrorsheet’ ain’t too bad either at the mo, nice n healthy, though it’s more a trickle than a full on pebble-dashing…so why don’t I just kick back and enjoy the sport without dragging up oddschecker every time I put a corner-piece in the jigsaw?
Keep it flowing, am intrigued to get behind the pc-mask, as it were…
Thanks carvillshill<br>In particular, the ‘keeping score’ point interests me – I track my bets using an excel spreadsheet, or a ‘horrorsheet’ as it is sometimes known. This tells me the money record – your "beating the market which is hard to do" – is perhaps more important than I indicated in my opener. But again, like you in many ways, it’s beating the market, getting ahead, being successful in a competitive setting which drives my enjoyment (amongst the more obvious thrills of the sport)…
And I love ignoring the masses, I guess there’s a private display of I’m going to be right here and a lot of people will get this wrong, this can be satisfying and it’s one reason why I very rarely back favourites I suppose…
Interesting points, I suppose I’m suggesting for how raw the money aspect is for people as this is a very simple part of life which covers more than it reveals…(and this has nothing to do with my research, just Interested)…
Thank you towel-clad Hill, if you return to this topic could I venture: if you have filtered out a winner prior to the off, and you are feeling particularly pleased about that, and maybe it is a horse you know and love (I loved Mind Games, for example, visited him at Jack’s stable once) would you not be tempted to weigh in with a bunch of purple notes, or the small change lying around the kitchen?
Yeah, Torres on the way to being a great player but oh what a hideously underachieving national team he will feature in. An attacking Spain (they can be more cautious than Italy in tournaments) in the group games would make him a bet.  :soccer:
I only say this because it applies directly, but Milan Baros was a success for me in Euro 2004 @ 50/1 – he always plays, has Koller to bounce off and distract folk, and runs his socks off whilst goal-hanging to an extraordinary degree…seeing him at the same price and playing in a team which knows how to handle tournaments is a big plus, but Italy and the USA are tough starters to get goals in. Still, the USA will make it an attacking game, and Italy’s defensive unit may just wilt as Baros runs them into the ground…top Euro scorer shouldn’t be 50/1 IMO… :soccer:
I’ll have Baros, but Henry and co will have the urge to put on a show, and their group games could well turn into an attacking show…He may well get 2 each against Togo and Switzerland, what puts me off is that the formation France play is often uncertain and that Henry is such a good player he doesn’t mind giving lots of goals to other players! But 16/1 could look huge after the group games are done and dusted… :soccer:
Rooney at 16/1 was the other, but not now…  :(
Good Luck FSL, just to say Azarole is freely available @ 14s this morning which looks overpriced, Coral are only 9s. Good luck all. :biggrin:
Quote: from cormack15 on 6:55 pm on April 15, 2006[br]Whenever you see A O’Brien being interviewed he always seems as much concerned with the mental state of his horses as the physical. <br>
Agree yquem21, that’s what I’d be especially interested in, for how long do horses retain and associate experiences with a race performance? You could look at races after a fall or terrible mistake to see what percentage run "to form" subsequently – maybe then we could tell if their form is affected by experience in this way? Hmmm, but I suppose plenty win after that "F" in the form figures though?
That leads to cormack15’s observation: maybe we should have more information about a horse’s general mental approach to life (at home) before it hits the paddock…If a horse is "a bit down", it would be useful to know!
I’d suggest getting in touch with the Vet Science dept at Liverpool University – they are world leaders in horse welfare knowledge etc. They’ll tell you that "racehorse psychology" is poorly understood, and would probably be glad of some prompting to look into it. I know they looked at the horse psychology of the Grand National fences, I’ll try to dig up the BBC online article where they comment on it. Winning on the flat could be difficult to tell horse-by-horse, remembering the "winning" feeling can be bloody hard when you’re knackered, getting a crack of the stick and being asked to stretch further. I imagine breathing is their biggest concern and the rest is a bonus which they may enjoy. Can horses remember winning after a spell of defeats? Jumping mentality could be easier to tell, there’s no doubting they’re clever animals…
I know I’d be interested to find out, and not just from a punting angle. The difficulty arises in the horse’s capacity to think: if it is eased up a furlong from home (by mistake) it won’t know in itself to head for the finishing line at full pelt regardless of an absent-minded jockey. I would have thought a horse could only associate "winning" with rewards, cherishing, etc. All I can say from my work is that there is a very rich tradition of horsemen cherishing and praising horses after achieving what was desired, but whether this translates to the racecourse for that extra few pounds of form I’m not so sure…I agree with the herd instincts/middle of the pack thing, but some horses must surely enjoy more than anything a spin at full tilt, as I did until I hit 30 and couldn’t recover for days afterwards…!
