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I wouldn’t say there are any doubters to her record and ability in Aussie sprints. I think she will be statistically the best ever.
Just has the same doubters that Frankel got for example in the US re campaigns – i.e. why didn’t he go to Breeders Cup/Arc/DWC etc?
although to BC owners credit she came to England which took guts. The latter is also another reason why i think some people don’t get too excited over here – it wasn’t exactly a blistering win like Frankels 4 days earlier, especially given the build up.I think if she had gone for the July Cup and walked it then there would be more acknowledgement in the UK.
Its all opinion in the end though – what is pointless is a frankel v BC debate. Both outstanding in their own fields.
This is an interesting read. In my opinion a key factor is the knowledge of the animal – for example, how Cecil got frankel to settle was due to his ability to read the animal/ and instruct TQ. However, the question could be asked-is it just as good a piece of skill for say Christine Dunnett to get the best out of Danzoe/Speedyfix than Cecil’s getting Frankel to win? CD has a different yard to Cecil’s but has produced winners from it. Okay not the same amount by any stretch of the imagination, but still has got winners from the resources available.
I think a lot of it comes down to the money that can be made from getting people in to ‘have a good time’.
The busiest I have seen Great Yarmouth was for one of their Fake That nights. Newmarket Nights seem to be packed too as it offers something to a different audience. In comparison, apart from the odd opportunistic group of lads, the later meetings at Newmarket Rowley Mile seem to be a lot more calmer and aimed at racing fans.I would also argue that, Aintree Festival aside, jumps racing is less orientated towards stag/hen parties and populated more by the enthusiast (although hard to believe walking around cheltenham!).
Royal Ascot is day dependent – I do think on the Thursday, fri, sat some people don’t even know the races are on!
Having said all that, after going to Great Leigh’s in the winter on a cold weekday when there were more bookies than punters I guess the weather/time of year may have a huge impact on the type of race goers?!
Just my thoughts.
Its all down to opinions I guess which was the purpose of my post (apologies – I do waffle at times!). I wouldn’t consider any opinion dumb, just different.
I personally don’t get the same wow factor with BC that I have done with other horses, I think that is what I wanted to say. But its opinion/gut feeling/(stupidity? Ha ha) the statistics don’t lie though – amazing record. My european comment was unfair and only really based on the ascot run/gut feeling. July cup 2013 please…
Sadly I think it is those 4 factors above anything else. However, I do think a key quality for any trainer is to know the animal and the sport like the back of their hand.
I guess the only way of answering (to some extent) is to think of trainers who have fallen out with rich owners and lost their big stars – have they managed to keep producing the winners?If say the next 3 grand nationals are like this years with little incident is there a chance the general public will see it as the bland national and stop tuning in? After all there must be a reason why so many watch it compared to the derby
The Derby (or any group 1 for both jumps/flat) point is really interesting. I personally don’t find the GN that gripping from a racing side of things, especially compared to both gold cups, king George’s or the Derby/oaks/guineas etc. However, there is something that catches the publics imagination with the GN, something that makes thousands of people put on their only bet of the year. I believe it is the position the race holds in the publics imagination/national psyche, and sadly that is most likely linked in with the considered toughness of the race.
Sadly the BBC has sport well down its list of priorities these days – even the F1 has gone to sky now. I can’t remember the last programme I watched on the Beeb!
Re the Black Caviar / opponents debate, I guess the same was probably said about Frankel especially when facing only 3 others at Goodwood?
For me though, the Monterosso argument puts forward the case for not using prize money won to gauge the standard of a race. However, I guess it comes down to what you want to argue. For me BC just doesn’t do it, and IMO would be shown up If spending a full season in Europe, however I guess some US fans would of thought the same re frankel etc. the beauty of opinion.
