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November 6, 2020 at 23:27 in reply to: The approved killing of NH horses continues at Southwell #1509882
What an appalling title to this post. There is no such thing as approved killing of Horses.
RISK! what do we think of risk? It’s a complicated question with so many moving parts.
Thought ITV did a great job first day back at school, Luke Harvey is very underrated, Chapman is the right beast for the betting ring and (better get the spelling right) Chamberlin (a little stiff necked) will grow into the job as he came over quite confident and really for the most part he needs to learn to bounce of Harvey and McCoy or whoever his side kicks are on the day.December 28, 2015 at 10:52 in reply to: King George marred by the BHA and it's silly whip rules #1227466
The only thing that should be banned is the Whip rule itself!
It’s not even a whip (in the old sense and make) it’s a pro cushion.
The rule is a half baked,cobbled together compromise with not a shred of common sense attached to it only serving to prove that the body who introduced this rule showed only one attribute – incompetence.September 4, 2013 at 12:53 in reply to: Trying to ‘attract’ new punters to racing is a waste of time #450200
Racing is missing a fantastic marketing opportunity.
Most people have hobbies or favoured pass times, some people like to have a night out with friends at a their chosen Restaurant but the restaurateur isn’t going to give you 10 meal vouchers to the price you paid for your meal because you happened to pick the best value meal on the menu!
You can go down the pub and have a great evening but the landlord isn’t going to give you 5 drinks to 1 about your chosen beverage!
Whether it’s going to a restaurant, down the pub or going to a concert the point is it costs money and we pay for a good time which is absolutely fine.
A day at the races has so much to offer, the sights and sounds, the Horses and Jockeys, the parade ring etc.
Set your budget for the day including having a bet because there is nothing quite like watching your selection passing the winning post in first place and even if you fail to back a winner, you set aside the money in the first place and have witnessed these wonderful beasts in full stride, the Jockeys in action, the bookies shouting the odds or receiving your tote ticket, had a meal and a drink and just maybe it’s your lucky day and you end up with more money in your pocket than you started with, either way it’s a win win situation.
There is a case for explaining racing terminology and form, the basics, what do the form figures mean next to the Horses name? What is a Handicap race? What’s a Furlong? What are blinkers and why do some Horses wear them?
All form is subjective, teaching people the information contained within the race program has nothing to do with value it’s about knowledge and enhancing the race-day experience.
Value as a concept is an extremely useful way to engage people in the subject of Odds and their respective percentages, Danny Hall wrote an excellent book entitled “ How to Win on the Horses”, at the back of the book (Appendix E) is a chart called the “Expected Value Grid” it poses the question- if a race were able to be run under identical conditions 10 times, how many times would you expect the Horse you are interested in to win the race?
It’s a simple entry point into an individual’s view of what constitutes Value.
If anything racing has suffered from successive Government’s failing to teach children even the basics of probability and risk management but that’s another subject.
Fractions are shown as 14/1, the decimal equivalent is 15.00.
9/4 in fractions (9+4 =13, divide 13 by 4 = 3.25)decimal shows 3.25 just a different way of showing the same price.
OK we got away with it this year and we may the next 2 or 3
but there will be another fatality in this race
whether its at a fence or a collapse and then the Activists will start up again.
That’s not acceptable. I don’t expect horses to be killed in this sport. It should be possible to run a Grand National that doesn’t have horses dying every other year. And if it isn’t possible, then the race ought to be shut down.
I’m far from an animal-rights activist, but I don’t take the deaths of horses (and the injuries/deaths of jockeys) lightly.
“That’s not acceptable” where does none acceptance lead too? Are you looking to where your next meal will come from? Or whether the nearest watering hole will be after the local one has dried up?
Good job if you do, putting 100% in are you?
But Christ it’s bad enough you veil your pitiful views on others in your western dream.
Not in an ivory tower Miss W? Mmm,how people will pacify, and then cast their cosset thoughts on others.
I guess you are not looking to where your next meal will come from, you have an ideology.
The “not acceptable” is what you want , you should pull the wool over people’s eyes , you propagate an untruth distorting living being, you betray the very creatures you purport to argue for, a disgrace of truth, a disconnect….. well follow the trail.
Am sure there will be changes as they look to find the right format and presenters but well done to Channel 4 for promoting the race so well.
Given any subject regardless of points of view and whatever angle people come from, there is always a process of emotional attachment that comes with the opinion formed (in this case the National) a perspective once formed is incredibly hard to let go of, much easier to form a pseudo-debate selecting words that in reality serve only to re-enforce ones point of view.
Brian Clough was once asked how he dealt with a player he had an issue with, he replied something along these lines-
I’ll sit down with the player and we’ll have a chat and then we both decide that I’m right.
– Clough was being extremely honest regardless of any rights or wrongs of a particular situation.
Where would we be without the self-appointed guardians? The superior beings! So superior they can’t even be honest with themselves that a point of view is fixed like concrete (that stands for every side of the debate) only they dress up like Wolves in sheep’s clothing under the cheap pretence of “a debate”
And as for extremism, if one honestly believes extremism comes solely packaged in overt direct action that can be nicely stamped by political leaders and the media, well how to put it politely, a simplistic view.
People could choose to vote with their feet and not attend or watch a sport but there again how could they? Holding as they do (in their mind) the high moral ground.
Well said Insomniac.
How the lily livered liberals love to satisfy their wants on the spineless alter of easy sacrifice.
But it runs deeper into a logic void of responsibility, a passing judgement, a life of which they probably have never encountered, a product of the western dream.
No root, no grasp on reality.
J’star, "the meer fact" not a good angle/thought process.
aji, your use of the word Superior is crass, what it does show from your question and your previous post is a disconnect which is a paradox.
An excellent article
There are blatant points within the piece that appear designed to draw out the puss of modernistic, dangerous thinking.
aji “inhumane” “superior” your type of screwed up logic is so threatening to the balance of society.
Animal rights, fuzzy thinkers (where animals are concerned) and the PC wallahs are rust that serves only to corrode society and warp further an already distorted world view.
Self-appointed thought police too close for comfort to far right actions if their understanding of how the world should be is not satisfied.
Thoughts and best wishes to JT McNamara his family and friends.
Hats off to the Men and Women who bring us the sport we love.
Let’s not beat about the bush, the rspca and the lily-livered liberals’ want the Grand National race gone, their proposals oh yes a death by a thousand cuts, the race then no more.
Are all so lost in the lust for profit that we forget the gain of sporting excellence? Where horse and horsemen together test themselves!
Let’s not be under any allusion that the end of this great race is only the beginning of their insipid plans.
Draw a line now because even the changes they have made can cause injury, a loose horse can now have the option of running out and past the fence, the lily-livered liberals cannot think that the horse by itself can come to any harm or cause havoc .
They are using the unspoken nature by which they themselves supress in their delusional, modernistic vision, the twisted thinking of the world view they want to impale on society.
The weather is as the weather does.
After the flood damage Southwell has suffered it’s not surprising the track is not so appealing on the eye, as for the Horses well all
Horses are beautiful, some more so than others.
Re C4 build up to start of flat season, get real, we’ve been spoilt in recent times with relatively decent weather which has only served to pander office wallahs and their business spread sheets.
Racing is suffering from too many fingers in the pie, unless organisations are willing to network resources and exposure when fixtures are cancelled for the good of the whole racing scene then the business chaps will eventually walk away because the spread sheet says no…profit.