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Sorry EW, didn’t realise you’re going on 15. Let me try again. You nailed your colours to the mast, then declare that your fancy was catching KS with every stride and that KS was tiring.
Making incredible excuses as to how yoour horse nearly won shows a lack of graciousness when there is no plausibilty that can be attached to these.
I look forward to your explanation.
Unreal
I cannot now give an opinion as to what i think happened without getting insulted or slated
That’s 4 shots Exotic Dancer has had at Kauto Star and came up short each time, although he has run admirably in defeat each time. I don’t think I could ever bet Exotic Dancer against Kauto Star. Only way he’s going to finish in front of the champ is if Kauto makes serious mistakes or the ground is bottomless. Great to have 2 horses like them going head to head for our entertainment
ED has had ONE CLEAR SHOT at KS and that was today, he’s been beaten 1/2 length catching a tiring winner with every stride
Saying he can’t turn around 1/2 length is foolish, just like it was foolish thinking he couldn’t make up 2.5L, 8L or 20L when he hadn’t had a clear shot at KS
Again, imo, a lack of graciousness.
KS wasn’t tiring, he was idling. The minute ED came to his quarters, he was kept at bay.
Is it, i thought it was stating an opinion, though it does come across as bit arrogant i grant yer that, but thats the way of interenet forums and maybe it’s because of the way i write
As for idling or tiring, they are just interpretation as to what was happening, nothing more and unprovable either way
Dear oh dear
Your post suggests i have made excuses for todays defeat when i have not, you post stated i was not gracious in defeat when i was
Try another time Salselon
Think it’s you who needs to grow up. You trumpeted ED, he had a clear chance, didn’t quite come up to it.
Face facts as they are, don’t pretend you’re more intelligent at analysing a race than anyone else and be gracious in defeat of your fancy, instead of making excuses when there are none.
Good night.
I think you need to read what i wrote, which you seem to fail to do on a regular basis btw, because if you had you would have seem this
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He got a clear shot, but he just wasn’t quite good enoughcracking race and worth the entrance im
and where have i made excuses for todays defeat???
Read the post(s) before trying to have a pop at me
Mikky last post as only time will prove fact
Like all horses, he’s a horse with energy that expires due to speed and distance and therefore he is liable to come across a horse that distributes its energy a little better and if a horse does distribute it’s energy a little better then Kauto Star will be defeated
It is as simple as that
Forget your ratings and speed figures and all that – purely on form, anybody suggesting any other horse than KS as the winner of the Gold Cup and King George is way off the mark in my opinion.
He was the best today, as he was in last years race, as he was in last years KG and GC.
This years KG and GC could have the same result, however, going on todays race, defeat in both races is a decent probability for Kauto Star so suggesting otherwise IS way off mark
Stop living in fantasy land, he’s a very good horse, but like all very good horses he is not unbeatable as the Old Roan showed
BB
I’m just trying to put your 0-4 stat into right perspective (if thats correct word)
That’s why I said I couldn’t find anything equivocal – perhaps you need to pay more attention too
Perhaps i need to learn to write better Grass
BB
Thats fair enough, disagree, but don’t try to make out i’m stating something when i have notED has had one clear shot
you can class others as "unlucky" or "unfortunate" but which ever way you look at it, in 3 runs prior to today, each had an effect on his performance
Today nothing affected performance and today he got beat 1/2 length and equaled Kauto Star from a handicapping prespective as his Topspeed figure shows
Kauto Star (FR) 176
Exotic Dancer (FR) 176
Sorry, empty, but it’s not the same thing.
What’s your evidence for suggesting it could have been 2-2 (I’ve tried looking back though the thread back can’t find anything equivocal).
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As i have already stated above Grasshopper i’ve not stated this so don’t try and make out i have
What i have said is above, i suggest you and others read it again
I also take horse racing seriously and stating that Kauto Star has finished in front of Exotic Dancer 4 times is stating the facts even if you think ED has been unlucky.
You can’t really say that it should be 2-2 because of what you judge to have been some misfortune that has happened to ED during a race. IMO KS has not been lucky to finish in front all 4 times, but I suppose we’ll never agree on that!
One of my all time favourite horses was One Man and he should have won "2 Gold Cups, but he didn’t because he didn’t get home, that’s fact. I can think all I want that he should have been a GC winner, but the records show that he wasn’t and records don’t lie no matter how much you want them too!
Where have i said ED has been "unlucky" where have i said it should be "2-2" ??
Please don’t try to make out i’m saying something when i have not stated anything like it
I suppose you think MWDS beat Don’t Push It and Twist magic on merit when they fell in Arkle
Similar thing, just a different outcome, two went to ground, one stayed on his feet, but all had no chance after
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Couldn’t resist mate – you seemed to be taking it so seriously
Thats because i actually take horse racing and it’s discussion seriously and comments like that just get on my tits tbh
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EW, if they ever award a King George or Gold Cup to a horse based on "what could have been if…." then I’m sure Exotic Dancer will get one!
FFs, grow up
It’s ferking crude no matter how you put it and absolutely useless in the assessment of the ability of either Kauto Star or Exotic Dancer
Like i say, if people want to use such crude measures for analysis, then i wish em all the best
Blue Brazil
Your post of 0-4 implies that KS is superior when in fact he is not as my explanation and today shows
All i’ve done is try to explain to you the facts as they really are and If that comes across as an overreaction then you not reading it properly
Or could it be me not explaining properly
You’re entitled to your opinion, but the facts are that he’s failed 4 times now! Not disrespecting ED who would be champion in many other years, but I would rather have KS on my side, as his record says he’s the superior horse.
The facts – it was a prep at Aintree, he blundered in KG losing all chance and he didn’t get a clear run at Cheltenham
if you want to use crude methods of analysis as 0-4 then do so, i prefer more intelligent analysis
