[boylee]

It is not just the RPR look at top speed they have changed there ratings from the weekender to site and are even different at the site from race card to top speed figs.

I used to run a very successful faster than class method from the post but now i can not trust the figures.

Barry

[boylee]

Artemis,

thanks for the tips but the reason i am trying to cut down on the selections is

when i started doing this there were only about 3 to 4 solid selections a week

but now their has been more than that daily.

another thing i have found i did not increase the OR but now i am finding that

a lot more doing better figs so i have to be more selective

on to todays 5-05 southwell Ocean Ledgen

the 3-20 southwell Kinout just failed

I will give it a week and see how it goes.

Boylee

[boylee]

Hi,

4-50 Ham Casino Night pm+6 ts+8 1st @ 11/4

Barry

there is 2 in the 3-50 but don’t meet the filters Gordsville pm+10 ts+9 2nd & Hurlingham pm+10 ts+5 !st

[boylee]

Hi Artemis,

I run a system very similar to this one, ie using RPR and Topspeed

I was thinking of putting up some selections would it be ok to put them on this post or would i have to start one of my own.

All it is picking horses that are faster and better than Class with a few filters.

Boylee

[boylee]

Hi LFAW, I only use it a little but the system is sound it depends on how you rate the classes. My health stops me getting too involved, it is part of a method I used to use.

             Barry

[boylee]

Hi Kersly, would horses last speed be same as, or very close to horses top speed be any use as a filter.

                                        Barry

                                           

[boylee]

Hi, when construting a system instead of form figs would it be better to use lenths beaten? I use a little system of compairing the class, value & race class of last 2 runs against todays and taking into acount the distance behind the winner and differance in weight.

                        Barry

sorry about the spelling & english

[boylee]

Juvenile Supreme System (2yo races)

(1)  Top or Jt Top Postmark<br>(2)  Top 3 Rated Topspeed<br>(3)  The horse must have produced the best lto speed fig of all the horses<br>(4)  The penalty value of todays race must be the same or higher than todays race<br>(5)  The first 2 in the betting forcast must have ran at least once<br>(6)  The horse must have at least one of the following attributes<br>(a)  The starting price of the horse lto must have been at least half the number of <br>      runners in that race ie 10 runners 5/1 or less<br>(b)  Look in the todays trainers list, this gives details of the trainers record of the<br>      last 14 days, the trainer must have a strike rate of 40% plus win and place<br>(c)  The trainer must be one of the top 3 trainers at the course or has a 20% strike<br>      rate with his 2yo at the course<br>(7)  No bet in any races with forcast odds on fav<br>(8)  No bet at all weather courses

                Barry

[boylee]

Hi, Speedform N/H <br>(1) 8 runners or less<br>(2) 1st,2nd,3rd,4th or 5th lto<br>(3) 1st or 2nd in betting forcast<br>(4) Top or jt top Postmark<br>(5) forcast odds between 1/2 to 2/1<br>(6) Topspeed selection must be at least 15pts higher than next horse<br>Horses with a Speed advantage of 15 to 20pts Postmark rating of 130+<br>and must have run within the last 30 days<br>Horses with a Speed advantage of 21 to 29pts Postmark rating of 110+<br>and must have run within the last 60 days<br>Horses with a speed advantage of 30pts or more no more rules needed

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THE VERTEX SYSTEMVERTEX

Principle meeting of the day

1 Clear Top Rated Postmark & Topspeed <br>2 Ridden by a jockey currently in the Top Ten of the jockey tables <br>3 Last time out the horse must have been 10/1 or less or beaten 3 lenths or less flat 3yo upwards, 4 lenths or less 2yo, 5 lenths or less N.H. <br>———————————————— <br>4 Handicaps races Excluding 2yo handicaps. The horse handicap is no more than 7lbs(points) higher than any one of its winning handicap marks, and is no higher when placed on any of its last 4 runs providing the handicap was worth £15,000 plus Non handicap and all 2yo races the penalty value of the race the horse ran in last must be 5% higher than todays race  <br>——————————————— <br>5 Forcast first four in betting <br>6 Must be able to handle the ground <br>7 Must be able to the do distance <br>8 Must have won or run well on simular course <br>9 For one a day where horse qualifies through rules 1-2-3 the shortest priced is selection. <br>10 The horse last race must not have been confined to celebrities

I posted these a couple of days ago but here goes again

                     Barry

[boylee]

Hi Kersly,  The results you do not include in your system (8 from 8) would be some other people dreams, it is ideal that you are keeping tabs on them for they may prove profitably . Where in Leeds do you come from, I lived in Crossgates for 28yrs and still have family in the area.<br>                 Barry

[boylee]

Tods Guide Race Rating Formula (daily mirror)

1  Winner = 20pts each race  (rate last 2 form fig)<br>2  Placed  = 10pts<br>3  Trainers for courses  = 10pts<br>4  Jockey for course      = 10pts<br>5  Course Winner          = 10pts<br>6  Distance Winner        = 10pts<br>7  SF/F                           = 10pts<br>8  Beaten Fav                = 10pts<br>9  Tipped by Either/Both Tipsters  =10pts<br>10 Top 3 in Betting Forcast           = 10pts<br>11 Top 3 Rated by Spotform

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Easy System (daily mirror)

1  Use Meeting with highest % of Winning Fav<br>2  Pick the race with the least no of runners<br>3  The Fav of the race is the Selection<br>4  If more than one pick the lowest price

                                       Barry    

[boylee]

Hi, this is Principal  Top rated by Postmark but used in tandam with the form of the last races.

1st = 20pts<br>2nd = 12pts<br>3rd =  8pts<br>4th =  4pts<br>Distance winner = 8pts<br>Course winner   = 4pts

44 to 52 Postmark must be 4pts clear<br>32 to 40 Postmark must be 6pts clear<br>20 to 28 Postmark must be 8pts clear

Horse must be able to handle the course  & going must have winning form or placed within 3 lenths

                                        Barry<br>                   ——————————-

2yo between late June to late sept

Top rated by Split Sec of Raceform Update<br> Class D or higher<br> Must be suitible for the going, distance & course<br> 75% of the runners must run before<br> 2-1 to 13-2

                           Barry

[boylee]

A Daily Mail System

Wizard selection<br>Non H/C<br>20 runners or less<br>Forcast Fav.

Nap<br>As above but <br>Finished 1st or 2nd lto<br>12 runners or less<br>——————————<br>BF Flat or N/H<br>No Hunter Chaces<br>Horses that qualify are BF in there last 2 races<br>BF2 or BF3 ect<br>                            Barry<br>

[boylee]

Jumping Power A Beaten Fav. N/H<br>Any type of novice race<br>must have been 2nd or 3rd lto<br>must have been a b.f. lto<br>must be in top 2 rating in paper (D.Mail but any will do)<br>must be in top 2 in betting forcast<br>21 or less days since last run<br>                                                Barry

[boylee]

Hi Peter,  you are right, as I have said someware on the site I only use the first part. VDW always put great stock in Class and the first 3 con. this is my way, use the class of the last 3 races against the class of todays to find if any of the horses could win the race. I suppose it sounds like double dutch but blame that on the idiot (me) trying to use the computer, but it works for me.<br>                                    Barry

[boylee]

Hi, Racexpert is a rating program that gives a Speed Rating, a Form Rating and a Power Rating, the man who runs it is called Peter and he gives free Saturday ratings,you only have to ask. There is a lot more to it and the team are bringing new features almost every week. Having said that it is expensive but for anybody who takes his racing serously it is a must. I dont have it because some days I am too under the weather to know what day it is never mind trying to pick winners. I have been going to ask the members if they want some systems, but I am unable to put the selections up as I have said. There is a few big ones and some small ones.<br>                                                            Barry

[boylee]

Hi, sorry I have not put up the rest of the system yet but here is the rest.

flat part<br>wt. carried on previous outings<br>above 9st add 1pt per pound<br>below 9st deduct 1pt per pound<br>amateur races work from 11st<br>ladies races work from 9st 7lb

type of race                     ratings + or -<br>handicap                          + 10pts<br>apprentice h’cap              +  7pts<br>non h’cap                         +    3pts<br>non h’cap apprentise       +  2pts <br>maiden                             =<br>auction or claiming           =<br>handicap seller                 –  4pts<br>non h’cap seller                –  14pts

number of runners in previous race<br>7 runners deduct 2pts<br>6 runners deduct 3pts<br>5 runners deduct 5pts<br>4 runners deduct 8pts<br>3 runners deduct 11pts do not rate any under 3 runners

5-7fur  1 length = 3pts, 3/4 & 1/2 lengths = 2pts, nk,hd,sh =1pts<br>8-13fur  1 length = 2pts, 3/4 & 1/2 lengths = 1pt<br>14+fur   1length  = 1pt

maximum winning distance table<br>5-7fur max = 3 lengths<br>8-10fur max = 5 lengths<br>11-14fur max = 7 lenths<br>15+fur max = 9 lenths

days since ran<br>30-59 days deduct 3pts<br>60-89 days deduct 6pts<br>90+ days    deduct 13pts

weight to be carried today<br>above 9st deduct 1pt per lb<br>below 9st deduct 1pt per lb<br>amateur races work from 11st<br>ladies races work from 9st 7lb

using form from abroad<br>irish racing deduct 5pts<br>french racing deduct 3pts<br>italian racing deduct 10pts<br>any other country minus 14 pts

The idea is to start the rating from the second horse and rate from there.

I got this all including the monatry value on a A4 paper that is why I had trouble putting it on a site before it all srambled together.

dave jay  the first post was the start of the system using the race value in pts to form a rating, this was a computer system that somebody had changed to manual. now it is the other way round

I have never used it properly I only use the first part  with the class of the race and racecourse class to compare todays race with a  previous race. <br>                                                    Barry      

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