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Easy to be fooled by Fallons softly spoken demeanour when interviewed on TV, aah he is a nice guy just a little misunderstood.<br>When he was working for Kevin Prendergast just off the Curragh, he use to frequent a local disco in nearby Kildare Town, and virtually every night he was in a fight along with some of his jockey buddies, and if he wasn’t in a fight, he had probably fell asleep from over consumption of alcohol.<br>Who could forget that stare he gave to the investigative journalist from the BBC, it would have stopped a charging Lion in its tracks. Certainly not a nice person Maurice.<br>I have to agree Maurice I couldn’t understand the euphoria that surrounded every Fallon winning ride, even had some hacks claiming he is the greatest of all time, "give us a break".<br>As said on previous thread if its brute force you want well Fallon is your man, but if you want your horse to run all over the place then Fallon is your man also.<br>It also amazes me that some of the TRF posters who slated Jimmy Fortune recently would be apologetic to similar rides from Fallon, which there has been many.<br>
(Edited by madman marz at 4:01 pm on May 25, 2007)
I don’t think Kinane is as good as he once was, but he still rates very highly in my estimations.
We will be lucky if we see Keiran Fallon riding again which is a great pity. Most of the people whose judgement I trust have rated him highly since he first came over and was riding mainly in the north. At first, I didn’t like his ‘scrub them along’ style, but I gradually changed my opinion when I noticed how strong he was in a finish. His tactical awareness has also improved over time.
Cauthen was excellent, a supreme judge of pace, as is Philip Robinson who has proved himself at the highest level and now takes things a bit easier than he once did.
Frankie is also riding less than he used to, but he is still an excellent jockey.
Other jockeys(riding at the moment) that I particularly like are: J Murtagh, J Fortune, D Holland, M Dwyer, K McEvoy, J Spencer, R Moore, K Darley and Seb Sanders.
There are probably about 20 jockeys who are rated not far below these. I don’t particularly dislike any of them – even the Hills brothers who seem to get more than their fair share of criticism. Let’s be right, anybody can and does occasionally ride a stinker, but that’s racing.
Cant say i disagree with the above at all, but wait for the responses! :o
As for Cauthen, wonder if i will ever see a better jockey. Near perfection
No, mm, I’m not related to Travis Block.<br>When jockeys are criticised (quite rightly sometimes) sarcastic comments are not helpful, clever, or funny.<br>Just because some do it doesn’t mean everybody else should stoop to their level.<br>As for Kieren Fallon, he certainly wasn’t highly rated over here when a youngster, and did not even ride out his claim. If reports are to be believed he was then very close to quitting racing.
This thread is great reading. How opinions can differ. Don’t see how a jockey’s personality or his behaviour as an apprentice on his nights out should have anything to do with his riding talents though.<br>I can understand why alot of you don’t consider Fallon to be a top notch jockey.<br>His technique looks more workman like than stylish. When he’s pumping away, his movements are in perfect time with the action of his mount. His body appears to act like a piston, maximising the power of a horse’s stride. <br>In contrast, watch Dean McKeown when he is riding in a similar manner. It always looks to me that he’s pushing when he should be pulling and vice versa.<br>Spencer seems to have lost his desire to only win with a late run from off the pace with his arze in the air.He’s a far better jockey for it.<br>
(Edited by heffo at 8:11 pm on May 25, 2007)
Quote: from Nor1 on 4:06 pm on May 25, 2007<br>As for Kieren Fallon, he certainly wasn’t highly rated over here when a youngster, and did not even ride out his claim. If reports are to be believed he was then very close to quitting racing.<br>
Thats why it always makes me wonder how some sycophantic hacks go thouroughly overboard everytime he rode a winner [for god’s sake he was probably on the best horse anyway]. Piggott, Eddery & Dettori were all at the top of their profession at a very young age. Fallon didn’t become a top Jockey till his mid to late thirtys, which would suggest he was not as naturally talented as the a/m trio. So how, some hacks can claim him to be the best of all time absoluetly amazes me.
As for Travis Block Nor1, he done me out of my dough more times, a bit like Willie Ryan, everytime I backed him he f-ucked up, or let the last leg of my Placepot down by not riding out for third.
Fallon didn’t start riding at all until quite a late age far older than any of the others mentioned. To become as good as he has is quite remarkable really.
An add on to what Flash has just posted regarding Fallon’s late arrival to riding. I’m sure I read some where that it was his teens before he first sat on a horse. <br>Also Eddery, Piggott and Dettori all come from ‘horsey’ backrounds giving them an obvious advantage as regards establishing themselves in the game.<br>
From all reports Kieren Fallon was 18 before riding.<br>His qualities were not recognised and style not admired.<br>I have mixed feelings. He can be a brute on a horse, yet coax a reluctant one to win.<br>He’s also been very kind with apprentices who have made mistakes in races he’s ridden in and been affected by (unlike other jockeys).<br>I think it’s very sad that he, and others, are involved in corruption scandals.<br>Through all walks of the business world , including racing, those who do the corrupting walk away scot free, whilst those corrupted by them pay the penalty.<br>
Quote: from Nor1 on 9:23 pm on May 25, 2007
I think it’s very sad that he, and others, are involved in corruption scandals.<br>Through all walks of the business world , including racing, those who do the corrupting walk away scot free, whilst those corrupted by them pay the penalty.<br>
Fallon obviously wasn’t helped by riding for the Ramsdens, by been a gambling stable, meant he probably stopped more horses than he actually tried on.<br>But surely Nor1 there is no excuses, these are grown men who know right from wrong, I can understand a journey man jockey struggling to make ends meet been gullible to the lure of easy cash, but Fallon who is a multi millionaire had no need, people say he is an intelligent jockey, to me he must be incredibly stupid, how else can you explain it, he must have a brain of a rocking horse.
Quote: from trackside528 on 10:15 pm on May 25, 2007[br]Given Fallon’s style of riding, I think it is often easy to lose sight of the fact that the guy really is a master horseman (at least IMO)..
Has had some effect on O’Brien down at Ballydoyle, especially with the training of the 2yo’s..
Yeh Fallon is a good jockey, and most of his popularity is not for his so called master horsemanship, but his strength in the saddle, which I am blue in the face saying is all punters really want.<br>But tell me Trackside why do an incredible amount of the horses he rides run all over the place, "because he is not in total control of what he is doing", so he is far from the master horseman you claim.
(Edited by madman marz at 11:22 pm on May 25, 2007)
If Fallon is so poor, then why do Ballydoyle want him? And why did Stoute not want to lose him?
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And, of course, you’d be better judge than trackside?<br>Not to mention many of the top owners, trainers, and many others within the industry?<br>Your wild, biased, and unsubstantiated allegations only show one person to be a total idiot – and it ain’t Kieran Fallon.;)
Quote: from reet hard on 11:41 pm on May 25, 2007[br]mm
And, of course, you’d be better judge than trackside?<br>Not to mention many of the top owners, trainers, and many others within the industry?<br>Your wild, biased, and unsubstantiated allegations only show one person to be a total idiot  –  and it ain’t Kieran Fallon.;)
So why did John Gosden want Jimmy Fortune ??
If you’re going to start down that line, madman, we’re going to be here for a long time.
Why did Liverpool want Bellamy?<br>Why did Leo Sayer want THAT haircut?<br>Why did Charles want Camilla?
The fact is Kieron Fallon, despite what you may think about recent events, is an extremely talented jockey and a wonderful horseman – more a craftsman, than a pilot. His services are not sought after for any other reason, and it can’t be any coincidence that he’s the envy of the very best trainers in his appointment at Ballydoyle.
Quote: from LetsGetRacing on 12:10 am on May 26, 2007[br]If you’re going to start down that line, madman, we’re going to be here for a long time.
Why did Liverpool want Bellamy?<br>Why did Leo Sayer want THAT haircut?<br>Why did Charles want Camilla?
The fact is Kieron Fallon, despite what you may think about recent events, is an extremely talented jockey and a wonderful horseman – more a craftsman, than a pilot. His services are not sought after for any other reason, and it can’t be any coincidence that he’s the envy of the very best trainers in his appointment at Ballydoyle.
Why did Ballydoyle want John Reid ??
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