February 12, 2020 at 10:20 #1482702
If possible, I’d run him in the Gold Cup and not in that Mickey Mouse X-country race.
Two possible scenarios: He finishes down the field, then the GN bid will be scuppered for this season.
In case that he wins the GC
a) he will be a few pounds well in for the GN
b) he will become immortal and they would have go for the GN this year.
As mentioned, I would try and find out how good he really is. The only way to do that is by running him in the GC. No matter if they were against a GC bid in the past, Mr. O’Leary can change his mind from one second to the other. A change of heart wouldn’t surprise at all.February 12, 2020 at 10:27 #1482704
He is returning from injury. We don’t even know whether he is the same horse as last season because of that injury as he is only just coming back. No horse this century has won a Gold Cup once they reach double figures age wise. So no I wouldn’t.February 12, 2020 at 10:33 #1482705
He is returning from injury. We don’t even know whether he is the same horse as last season because of that injury as he is only just coming back. So no I wouldn’t.
Mike, either way, he won’t go without a prep run straight to the X-country race. If he fails in his hurdles prep, he won’t go to any of the mentioned races: No X-country or GC and of course no GN.
But, if he is fit to jump National fences in April, why not jumping the GC fences in four weeks time?February 12, 2020 at 10:43 #1482706
Depends what you mean by fails in his hurdle prep. What he did in that race last season was pretty freakish, a poor(ish) run in the hurdles run this season wouldn’t surprise me, and it wouldn’t put me off going to the X-Country after. The horse might well blow up and finish down the field or even pull up. Long lay off, injury, etc. Seen it many times before where a horse has a P or 0 after its name and then runs well next time.
Think some get carried away sometimes as its Tiger Roll.February 12, 2020 at 10:57 #1482709jackh1092Participant
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Would i personally supplement him in a GC? If they are thinking of entering him in the Betfair Bowl, why not?
Obviously as mentioned above, it’s possible he won’t even return the same horse, but they’ve said that’s their plan so i’m surprised he’s not entered anyway.
Would i run him there though? Probably not, unless something happened to Delta Work.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!February 12, 2020 at 11:08 #1482711FinalFurlong91Participant
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The hurdle race is a glorified racecourse gallop to get some miles into his legs as prep for the cross country
It wont matter where he finishes, he will go to Cheltenham as long as he doesnt get injuredFebruary 12, 2020 at 11:26 #1482715KevMcParticipant
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You could sacrifice a historic third National by coming in the first 6 in the GC where as the XC they go much slower and it also helps sharpen up his jumping and movement with one eye on the Nash.February 12, 2020 at 12:18 #1482719
Can’t see him running in the Betfair Bowl. The trip will be on the short side, especially with the Mildmay Course not certain to suit him. Races in April are run at a very fast and furious pace and he might still find one or two too good in the BB. If you think of going to Aintree, then it has to be the GN.
If you already think of bypassing the GN, why not taking a shot at the GC as long as he is only ten?
Surely that hurdle prep race will be crucial, but otherwise it would be interesting to see him take his chance.February 12, 2020 at 13:46 #1482731Venture to CognacModerator
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As I’ve said on here before, once maybe twice lol, I bet him for The 2017 Gold Cup right after his win in The Munster National. I thought he was that good.
Bet him for the last two renewals as well, and all at crazy prices.
If they did supplement him this time, I certainly wouldn’t be getting those odds now.
I don’t think they will though, just with his interrupted prep.
2017 would have been a big ask, but he’s a better horse than Sizing John, so who knows. A peak Native River and a peak Tiger Roll would be a very close match, and I think that Native River would have been a big ask.
Last year was the year. He was better than A1, and he’d have won it, no doubt in my mind. I know that his form round conventional fences can be questioned, but I’ve no doubt that this has been the plan all along. They have a genuinely top drawer Graded Animal who they’ve have had some proper prizes with, a proper horse who’s handicap mark going into the 2018 National, as I said at the time, was mad. They’ve played a blinder with him.
As I said, I think they’ve missed the boat, and I don’t think they’ll supplement, but I’ll be with him if they did.February 12, 2020 at 15:27 #1482737greenasgrassParticipant
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No, I wouldn’t. His last starts over regulation chase fences were in autumn 2017, splitting A Genie in Abottle and Bay of Freedom in a Listed chase at Wexford, then PU in a grade 2 at at Clonmel. Granted he probably wasn’t trying as he was already rated comfortably high enough to get into that season’s Grand National. Also, he won the 4 miler at the Festival…but the form of that race is nothing to write home about.
Over the XC and National fences and a trip, he probably is a 170 rated horse, or close to it. Over park fences, he isn’t. I think if he ever runs over ordinary chase fences again, it would be in the Punchestown Gold Cup having missed the National and had a nice rest after the XC…and then only if any potential Punchestown opponents have pummelled the guts out of each other sufficiently in the Cheltenham GC.February 12, 2020 at 15:33 #1482738greenasgrassParticipant
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he’s a better horse than Sizing John
It depends what discipline and trip you’re talking about.February 19, 2020 at 08:44 #1483272
Gordon Elliott when asked the other day…
“We might run Tiger in the Punchestown Gold Cup this year, so we could get to see how he gets on against those better horses but, for me, I don’t think he’d go out for the final circuit in a Cheltenham Gold Cup. He’s that type of horse.”
“I know his rating suggests I’m wrong, but I just think he loves doing different things and jumping different types of fences.”February 19, 2020 at 17:43 #1483307hamParticipant
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Same vtc, he would have won a gold cup in the last few years, they definitely/stupidly have missed outFebruary 19, 2020 at 20:43 #1483335befairParticipant
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I’d have loved to see him run in the GC, which is the ultimate NH prize, but missed the boat now, i think
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