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- January 11, 2006 at 12:46 #89199
on paper England are the best side in the world….
This man is clearly a danger to himself
January 11, 2006 at 15:12 #89200Why? Man for man they are, please write me out a better side?!? and I will be quiet….
Jon Terry: Best centre half in the world, (and then Campbell, Ferdinand, King, carragher and Woodgate)<br>Gerrard and Lampard Best centre midfielders in the world<br>Rooney: Alongside Ronaldinho best forward in the world
Not to mention Ashley Cole arguably the worlds best left back, Michael Owen, who has one of the best scoring records in international football, Some g*ylord called becks who aint bad and Joe Cole probably the most improved player in the premiership…. Even Gary Neville is pretty useful..<br>The backbone of the team is pretty much unparralelled.. Brazils central midfield and defence is ageing and weak, <br>and other than that I can’t think of a worthy challenger bar Germany who will no doubt be strong on home soil. Don’t be arrogant about it, if Rooney hadn’t got injured England would have won Euro 2004 and would be joint favourites…. Justifications?!?!?!?
January 11, 2006 at 16:40 #89201Unfortunately, it isn’t a game of top trumps, its a team sport.
England are six months away from a major tournament and still have no idea what formation works and what their midfield will be. Beckham is too slow to play on the right and wants to move inside. Gerrard and Lampard are similar players and Joe Cole, whilst improved, is not a left-sided player.
Sven still hasn’t tried 5 at the back or Ashley Cole on the left. He has tinkered with a holding player in midfield but hasn’t settled on who he wants in that role. Add to that our alarming inability to keep hold of the ball and propensity to go quiet for long periods and I simply can’t agree that England are the best side in the world.
The history of the world cup is littered with teams who look okay on paper but do nothing, indeed, Spain have made an art of it.
Holland and Brazil are better teams than England and Germany have home advantage.
I would also include Argentina if they either sack the current incumbent or persuade him to change his policy of building a team around one player. Either of these could happen.
Italy may sort themselves out in time and will be tough to beat as usual.
January 12, 2006 at 09:00 #89202Sorry but your just flinging out cliche’s. Holland are definitely not a better team and enjoy handbags between themselves. England will always look a better side against better opposition because they’re forced to up their game.
5 at the back would be suicide and have you not watched Joe Cole this season? Why would you ever play Ashley Cole at left midfield. If Sven went into the world cup with that as plan A then he truly would be a moron. All he needs to do is pick the obvious team, tell them to play up tempo and in everyones faces and they’ll be very hard to beat…
January 12, 2006 at 09:31 #89203The reason I nominated Holland is that under Van Basten, they no longer squabble between themselves, a view of the Dutch which is, if you don’t mind me saying, something of a cliche.
My point about the formation is not that Sven should choose 5 at the back (although quite why this would be suicide remains unclear) but that he hasn’t tried it. The England side is lopsided and unbalanced and has been for years. Sven has not made any serious attempts to address the problem. Joe Cole is an improved player, but he is not a left-sided midfielder. Gerrard and Lampard occupy the same space and make the same runs and Beckham is no longer anywhere near as effective on the right and doesn’t want to be there anyway.
As for ‘upping the tempo and getting into people’s faces’ that might be fine in League One, but this is the World Cup. If you try and increase the tempo beyond a speed at which you are technically able to play, you lose the ball more easily and you tire more quickly. For all their big name billing, England’s actual ball skills and ability to retain possession are poorer than Brazil, Holland, Argentina, Italy and Portugal at the very least.
I would love to see an England victory but to suggest they are the best side in the world is unrealistic.
January 12, 2006 at 11:55 #89204Yeah but all you keep saying is reasons why they aren’t I was looking for reasons as to why other teams are better which you haven’t provided. It’s my opinion. This is the best chance England have since I was born!!
January 13, 2006 at 07:45 #89205England’s actual ball skills and ability to retain possession are poorer than Brazil, Holland, Argentina, Italy and Portugal at the very least
The reason I nominated Holland is that under Van Basten, they no longer squabble between themselves, a view of the Dutch which is, if you don’t mind me saying, something of a cliche.
Holland and Brazil are better teams than England and Germany have home advantage.
I would agree that this is England’s best chance for a long while. I hope they do it but I have my doubts.
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January 13, 2006 at 14:54 #89206England’s team in my view has the best individuals but have the worst tactician i’ve ever seen. I also doubt there ability to function together at times so their price seems skinny to me.
January 16, 2006 at 16:12 #89207The reason England won’t win the world cup is very simple. They can not retain possecion of the ball. They give the ball away cheaply so even if they go ahead in a game it always the same. They can’t get hold of the ball , when they do they bang it up the field and end up giving it back to the opposision. They then end up falling deeper and deeper into their own half. <br>Of all the players listed as "great" players on the English team how many of them can actually go pass a player. 2 maybe 3. Even the worse players on teams like brazil can go past players at will.
January 17, 2006 at 11:29 #89208Quite agree Nixer. For all the hype around the Premier League and the English players, their actual ball skills are surprisingly poor.
January 17, 2006 at 12:56 #89209Peaty, i’m not English by birth and none of this is emotion, i’ve played football for a long time and this is my opinion, you obviously don’t have one and would rather throw bombs…. If you have a view share it otherwise keep your comments to yourself.. I never said Neville was a world beater, he’s just pretty useful. In the past 3 seasons the guys become a much better player. Obviously Alex Ferguson has no idea thats why he’s kept faith with him?! Or do you want to tear him down?
I agree that Sven may be tactically not the strongest but in truth the guys got a pretty decent record at club level, better than any Englishman currently managing. Brazilian managers have never been tactical geniuses, normally what happens is they say, we’ve got the best attacking players in the world so we’ll play them all and score more than anyone else… Jose Mourinho’s ideal is the opposite, defend from all areas of the park and out muscle and work your opponents. Football is a simple game, the teams with the best players will out in the end… I still think England have a great chance.. But obviously nobody else does….
January 17, 2006 at 20:28 #89210There second favourites so sh*te is a bit far fetched…. But whatever, normally opinions have a justification yours is obviously based on…………?
Brazil were sh*te before 02, scraped in to the world cup and then won it…
January 18, 2006 at 12:18 #89211I’d say it’s based on **** all.. Truth, Justice and decency won’t win you a football match. If thats your opinion go and play Golf….
January 18, 2006 at 16:57 #89212Sweet.
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