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Actually I think its fairly pointless for us to be arguing over who is or isn’t a genius as it is such a subjective term. A formula one expert may think Schumacher is a genius while someone with no interest may think there isn’t much genius in driving a car.
I think some trainers will have a natural way with horses that makes them stand out a bit but I think that applies to more trainers than is imagined.
The tiresome “genius” tag gets attached because people like the image. Somehow they don’t attach it to characters like Elliott and Nichols whereas AOB gets it because he looks .. a bit weird. But I’ll credit AOB For a differing approach to the game in how he runs his horses which I will come to
Mullins is very professional and skilled. I don’t think he’s impeccable though as he would probably admit.
the two things that stand out for me is a trainer who routinely keeps his charges interested over a long career (Nichols and ntd arguably the best here) because surely that’s the most challenging skill of all. And innovation. I am no fan at all of Martin pipe but no one has matched him for sheer innovation and being ahead of the game
I agree quite a bit with judges last comment. I think people are trying to see mystical skills in their heros when in fact it’s down to sheer hard work and intelligence
He does get put on too much of a pedestal. One forum barely talks about anyone else and you imagine half of them have got willie mullins blow up dolls ffs
Where have I said you can’t critique the man, Judge? Do you enjoy just going round in circles not making much sense or what?
Regarding the drugs thing I think it’s quite common, not just WPM that uses them, so it’s basically a level playing field from my eyes.
I’ll use a sporting comparison as you seem to enjoy those – Olympics is the same. I’m 99% sure Farah cheats but that doesn’t overly bother me as they’re all doing it!These aren’t in training drugs, merely steroids and the like to help with growth both in mass & muscle.
Where have I said you can’t critique the man, Judge? Do you enjoy just going round in circles not making much sense or what?
there you go the insults again. can’t win an argument so resort to petty insults.
But saying Mullins‘ stats and continued genius isn’t incredible is blasphemy.
^ this.
apparently it’s “blasphemy”, which pretty much amounts to not being allowed to critique him, right?
Regarding the drugs thing I think it’s quite common, not just WPM that uses them, so it’s basically a level playing field from my eyes.
I’ll use a sporting comparison as you seem to enjoy those – Olympics is the same. I’m 99% sure Farah cheats but that doesn’t overly bother me as they’re all doing it!These aren’t in training drugs, merely steroids and the like to help with growth both in mass & muscle.
words fail me. if that’s your approach to sport then there’s not a lot I can say.
I don’t know about Willie Mullins but Ruby Walsh should be a Politician judging by the way he returned serve on all the questions that Ollie Bell fired at him today on the Morning Show regarding the Mullins horses and their chances at the Festival. Wouldn’t even give a stand out horse for the Festival and left it to Matt Chapman to nominate Footpad as the cert of the Meeting..LOL they certainly know how to keep their powder dry, and thinking about it why shouldn’t they keep us all guessing, all part of the fun of the fair.
Best to wait things out and not go throwing cash down the drain, bet on the day and put more on.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Ruby is in an impossible position when asked questions like that and journalists should really make more of an effort to ask better questions.
Come on Judge, when KevM says it ‘blasphemy’ to question the genius of Willie Mullins it is obviously meant tongue in cheek, it’s foolish to think anything other than that.
I think this is done now guys. I know there’s a severe case of ‘last word itus’ going on here and you will no doubt prove me right Judge, but as others have said, debating what means ‘genius’ is fairly pointless as it means completely different things to different people.
I have expressed my opinions and thoughts clearly, no intention of being part of an ongoing conversation that is going in circles and making less and less sense.
Yes spot on Wex..I was waiting for Ollie to follow up with a more sensible question but he just flicked to the next horse in question and asked the same type of question most, in fact ALL of which we could have answered for him.
Slight uncomfortable moment when asked about Un De Sceaux and Yorkhill being declared for the same race answered again by Matt Chapman who virtually stated Ruby would do all he could to make sure they don’t clash.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I also can’t believe you think training racehorses is easy..i presume you have a lot of experience with horses? their fragility and the general complicated nature of the animal?
Juggling owners, buying the right horses more than than buying crap? Placing them to win, get blacktype + to peak at the big events?
Have a look at the horse that beat Douvan, Bellshill(and Bordini) and Listen Dear in their P2Ps and Fr races..
What have they done? what have the others done? Doesn’t just “happen”…
This is what I mean about preferring other forums where your views don’t get ridiculed… just because I have no experience of working with horses does that mean my views don’t mean anything? Are you from Lambourn or Ascot? No?
You’ve suggested its easy to train racehorses….i have provided parts of the training game that might make it harder than you suggest? Everyone is entitled to their view, i am simply asking have you any knowledge of horses, as you think its a easy game to master clearly?
I’ve named you examples of animals hes bought that haven’t won races, and look how they’ve turned out in comparison to the winners..an example of him being a half decent trainer perhaps?
You seem to have highlighted my “ridiculing” of you and ran past my other points quite surprisingly?
He gets top notch animals no doubt, but do you see his name or Kirks constantly being sales topper? Not often!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Is the enigma that is Willie Mullins preparing to announce Next Destination is to be switched to the Albert Bartlett? Prices seem to suggest so.
Or is he going to wait until the week he’s due to run… again?
Available at a best NRNB price of 5/1 for the Albert, “only” 13/2 at best all in run or not, 6/1 and some as low as 5/1; and 6/1 available on betfair. If he’s going the Ballymore route I’d expect a bigger difference between NRNB and AIRON. Those prices all very similar to market rival Cracking Smart despite that one supposedly much more likely to run.
5/1 also the best NRNB price for the supposedly most likely target (according to Mullins) the Ballymore, but with 8/1 available in five places all in run or not, and 11/1 (almost double NRNB odds) available on betfair.
Is the smallish NRNB price for the Ballymore systematic of Next Destination only going for the Ballymore if Samcro is a non-runner or if ground conditions are soft/heavy? That would be what I’d do if I were Mullins.
Or is it wishful thinking?
Value Is EverythingNext destination looks every bit a 3 miler. I think its the race for him
But I don’t know what you mean by switched? He’s always been entered in both all along and I doubt Mullins confirmed his target either way
Next destination looks every bit a 3 miler. I think its the race for him
But I don’t know what you mean by switched? He’s always been entered in both all along and I doubt Mullins confirmed his target either way
A horse has to be entered in both in order to be “switched”, TWM.
Mullins said after his last run: “He’ll be entered for the Albert Bartlett but I’d imagine the Ballymore will be his race”. He then went on to elaborate why the Ballymore would be a better target than Albert.
Horse does not have to be “confirmed”, of course there’s always been a possibility of the Albert, it’s just the impression given by Mullins was that the Ballymore was the likely target… And as far as I am aware there’s been nothing to indicate his opinion had changed.
I’ve noticed before with Mullins the first person he seems to tell of any intended changes is Mr Betfair.
Value Is EverythingI know the way entries work. But Mullins just thinks out loud when doing interviews, using words like I’d imagine and possibly and potentially are just the way he is. I’d reckon its equally like that next destination will turn up in either race
If he goes to The Ballymore then Samcro will have to earn his crust because Next Destination and On The Blind Side are good horses. The Albert Bartlett is a horrible race for good Novices; you usually have to have run over 3 miles previously to win it. Of all the Mullin’s targets Next Destination’s race is a real head scratcher.
Surprised when looking at Willie Mullins’ strike rate at Cheltenham it wasn’t a stand out.
Willie Mullins 13%
Nicholls 12%
Henderson 11%
Elliott 12%
Harrington 13%Value Is Everything
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