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The stable has had 5 runners at Sundown over the last two days and all five of them have won:
SPs were 7/1, 10/1, 6/1, 5/1 and 14/1 which equals an 55,450/1 accumulator.So today there will be no excuses left and you can assume that the horse must be at least 100% fit. I don’t know anything about his real issues, but if today isn’t his day, then it will never be.
Good luck to all!
I said it is a MUST. Gary Moore now at around 333,000/1 with his last 6 runners!!!!
THREEHUNDREDTHIRTYTHREETHOUSAND TO ONEYou say a lot of things Ex-Ruby.
Well, how many threads have I ever started with “Why you must back….”?
If you’d had your way SDG would’ve been retired, apparently because the Exeter run was so awful.
When you saw the horse is well fancied this morning you had to come on here and tell everyone the horse must be backed.
Value Is EverythingIncredible training performance, and fair play to SDG, and to Ginger who’s always believed in him. He was back close to his best today, and I was wrong about him.
If you’d had your way SDG would’ve been retired, apparently because the Exeter run was so awful.
When you saw the horse is well fancied this morning you had to come on here and tell everyone the horse must be backed.
That race was awful and it was my opinion at that time. I don’t think I was the only one suggesting that. After Gary Moore hit form I was entitled to think that the horse was good enough to win a below par Tingle Creek.
Mr. Mole – as usual a non-factor
Somersby – just too old and too average
Third Intention – some 20 lbs worse off
Vibrato Valtat – trained by a man with zero form
Josses Hill – did a Oscar Whisky today and can’t jump fences like a lot of the Henderson horsesNo, what’s wrong with my opinion to back him today? I was talking just about today and him winning basically a match.
Was at Sandown yesterday and backed all three of his runners and my £1 Lucky 15 stake bet now rolls onto Leo Luna, with around £20k resting on the outcome, I am to say the least a bit nervous
Was at Sandown yesterday and backed all three of his runners and my £1 Lucky 15 stake bet now rolls onto Leo Luna, with around £20k resting on the outcome, I am to say the least a bit nervous
Good luck LD73
Leo Luna was the only Moore horse I backed today and I had him in an accumulator with Highland Lodge and Benny’s Mist…
Still delighted to see Sire De Grugy back though!
Incredible training performance, and fair play to SDG, and to Ginger who’s always believed in him. He was back close to his best today, and I was wrong about him.
You weren’t the only one. But it was still virtually a 2-runner race considering the question marks about the horses he faced.
If you’d had your way SDG would’ve been retired, apparently because the Exeter run was so awful.
When you saw the horse is well fancied this morning you had to come on here and tell everyone the horse must be backed.
That race was awful and it was my opinion at that time. I don’t think I was the only one suggesting that. After Gary Moore hit form I was entitled to think that the horse was good enough to win a below par Tingle Creek.
Mr. Mole – as usual a non-factor
Somersby – just too old and too average
Third Intention – some 20 lbs worse off
Vibrato Valtat – trained by a man with zero form
Josses Hill – did a Oscar Whisky today and can’t jump fences like a lot of the Henderson horsesNo, what’s wrong with my opinion to back him today? I was talking just about today and him winning basically a match.
“After Gary Moore hit form I was entitled to think that the horse was good enough to win a below par Tingle Creek”. Were you?
Jumped like he has never seen an open ditch before. A short lived effort 3 out and then he went out like a light. That was not a strong race and none of them would be a contender for a proper prize over 2m. He still finished stone last. I wonder how many excuses connections will find this time to justify running him next time out. You shouldn’t do that to a 2m Champion Chaser in my opinion. The horse has called enough on numerous occasions.
I like your arguments Steeplechasing. There isn’t much I would like to add.
Maybe sometimes I’m a bit quick to ask for a retirement. But horses that have won at the highest level (Cheltenham Festival, Aintree, Punchestown, a King George or BF Chase) simply deserve a different treatment than “regular” ones do. You shouldn’t be running a horse and try to look for excuses, when age, injuries and other problems have caught up with it. Things won’t get any better for a soon 10-year old and an improvement isn’t on the cards either. His handicap mark is at least a stone too high considering what he has shown in his last 5 races. I know that he was 4th in the CC, but he only beat Simply Ned, Savello and Grandpa Europe that day. Otherwise there wasn’t much else in the race.
So even if he would be dropped 10-12 pounds for his next race, I still don’t know what race they might target with him. I’m quite sure that connections are still considering the Shloer and maybe the Desert Orchid Chase around Christmas.Kauto Star’s form wasn’t deteriorating in his 2nd last season. He was unlucky that the KG was rescheduled and that he had to be amateur-ridden that day. Plus in that mysterious season every Henderson trained chaser would a few extra pounds. Don’t ask me why it only happened that year. Anyway it didn’t take NJH too long to retire Riverside Theatre and Finian’s Rainbow after 3 or 4 poor runs. Let’s see how Sprinter Sacre will perform on his return as well as Simonsig.
You weren’t the only one to call for SDG’s retirement, but you are the only one to do a total 360 before his next race. Not only did you not think SDG was capable of winning a Grade 1, but also not a Grade 2 or even a handicap if dropped 10-12 lbs. You thought he was over-rated by over a stone… And yet he “must be backed” today.
Steeplechasing has done the decent thing and said he was wrong, got no problem with that, everyone gets it wrong now and again.
You didn’t say SDG should be downgraded or to wait until the trainer is in good form. You said he should be retired! Once retired there’s no possibility of anything else. Yet, before his very next race you tell us!!! :lol:
Value Is EverythingNever looked like collecting on my Lucky 15 bet but I can’t complain as I had a nice payout today on just a £15 bet and added to my winnings yesterday, Team Moore have been very good to me.
Nice win for SDG – you can always forgive a poor run first time out and until he got very tired he ran well at Exeter. I thought he was given a very position ride by Moore when he got him attacking his fences and it was only when he left him alone at the final three fences that he wasn’t as fluent. I still don’t think he will be good enough to win the QM if everyone turns up with their respective A games but it was nice to see him bag another G1 win – this season seems to be have a bit of the feel good factor at the moment.
Sad to say that Josses Hill’s jumping frailties showed up earlier than even I thought they would and until he sorts that out, he will not be able to fullfill the potential he has, might be a return to hurdles in his immediate future – glad him and hs jockey were able to walk away relatively unscathed (believe he was stood down for his remaining rides) from what looked an awfull fall.
If you’d had your way SDG would’ve been retired, apparently because the Exeter run was so awful.
When you saw the horse is well fancied this morning you had to come on here and tell everyone the horse must be backed.
That race was awful and it was my opinion at that time. I don’t think I was the only one suggesting that. After Gary Moore hit form I was entitled to think that the horse was good enough to win a below par Tingle Creek.
Mr. Mole – as usual a non-factor
Somersby – just too old and too average
Third Intention – some 20 lbs worse off
Vibrato Valtat – trained by a man with zero form
Josses Hill – did a Oscar Whisky today and can’t jump fences like a lot of the Henderson horsesNo, what’s wrong with my opinion to back him today? I was talking just about today and him winning basically a match.
“After Gary Moore hit form I was entitled to think that the horse was good enough to win a below par Tingle Creek”. Were you?
Jumped like he has never seen an open ditch before. A short lived effort 3 out and then he went out like a light. That was not a strong race and none of them would be a contender for a proper prize over 2m. He still finished stone last. I wonder how many excuses connections will find this time to justify running him next time out. You shouldn’t do that to a 2m Champion Chaser in my opinion. The horse has called enough on numerous occasions.
I like your arguments Steeplechasing. There isn’t much I would like to add.
Maybe sometimes I’m a bit quick to ask for a retirement. But horses that have won at the highest level (Cheltenham Festival, Aintree, Punchestown, a King George or BF Chase) simply deserve a different treatment than “regular” ones do. You shouldn’t be running a horse and try to look for excuses, when age, injuries and other problems have caught up with it. Things won’t get any better for a soon 10-year old and an improvement isn’t on the cards either. His handicap mark is at least a stone too high considering what he has shown in his last 5 races. I know that he was 4th in the CC, but he only beat Simply Ned, Savello and Grandpa Europe that day. Otherwise there wasn’t much else in the race.
So even if he would be dropped 10-12 pounds for his next race, I still don’t know what race they might target with him. I’m quite sure that connections are still considering the Shloer and maybe the Desert Orchid Chase around Christmas.Kauto Star’s form wasn’t deteriorating in his 2nd last season. He was unlucky that the KG was rescheduled and that he had to be amateur-ridden that day. Plus in that mysterious season every Henderson trained chaser would a few extra pounds. Don’t ask me why it only happened that year. Anyway it didn’t take NJH too long to retire Riverside Theatre and Finian’s Rainbow after 3 or 4 poor runs. Let’s see how Sprinter Sacre will perform on his return as well as Simonsig.
You weren’t the only one to call for SDG’s retirement, but you are the only one to do a total 360 before his next race. Not only did you not think SDG was capable of winning a Grade 1, but also not a Grade 2 or even a handicap if dropped 10-12 lbs. You thought he was over-rated by over a stone… And yet he “must be backed” today.
Steeplechasing has done the decent thing and said he was wrong, got no problem with that, everyone gets it wrong now and again.
You didn’t say SDG should be downgraded or to wait until the trainer is in good form. You said he should be retired! Once retired there’s no possibility of anything else. Yet, before his very next race you tell us!!!
a) Hysteria
b) Vendetta
c) somehow both of themAnother one who did not take a glance at him this morning, although when Moore had two winners I thought then he could be a player. He could be a player again in the Champion Chase but only if it was soft. Will he even run if it’s good with his bad feet
Well done to SDG and connections.Was at Sandown yesterday and backed all three of his runners and my £1 Lucky 15 stake bet now rolls onto Leo Luna, with around £20k resting on the outcome, I am to say the least a bit nervous
So near with your lucky 15 LD, it’s such a pity the last leg let you down.
You must have had butterflies like likes crows in your stomach before LEO
LUNA ran. Even although it didn’t quite work out, it must have given you
some buzz
3 out of 4 is still pretty good, Well done.
a) Hysteria
b) Vendetta
c) somehow both of themDon’t be so hard on yourself Ruby. :lol:
I just want you to remember this moment next time you call for a horse’s retirement – that before its very next run you can tell everyone not only should it run again, but everyone must back the horse.
Remember, if one of the horses you call for “retirement” meets an untimely death in a race, do not come back and tell us “I told you so”. Because we’ll know you weren’t really calling for its “retirement”.
Value Is Everything
Well done to SDG and connections.
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