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Fighting Irish in the 1.50 at Leicester trained by Harry Dunlop and ridden by Adam Kirby is Camelot’s very first runner.
Camelot is a sire lots of people seem to be very excited about and his progeny have been very well received in the sales ring, however, this colt can’t be doing much at home as he is priced up at 66/1!
Whilst Camelot clearly is no Frankel I’ll be interested to follow his progress throughout the season, and hopefully we’ll see some smart Ballydoyle horses come out later on.
I put a lump on Society Rock to be top 2yo sire at the start of the season, so I hope Camelot doesn’t come to anything as
a sire!I fear my lad will hoover up quite a few maidens but old Camelot will steal a couple of tinpot Group or Listed races in Ireland. It could all come down the those valuable sales races.
Will be interesting but for the life of me I cannot understand why he covered Annie Power unless they are looking to him to be a NH stallion – he did stay 14F and was a two time Derby winner and in my mind he could eventually end up being like another two time Derby winner in Old Vic who wasn’t fashionable enough for the flat boys but ended up a top NH stallion.
I assume Annie Power being covered by Camelot was just a ploy by Ricci to increase her sale value when she goes through the ring. The chance that AP could produce a decent staying flat horse probably puts more than Camelot’s €35k fee on her value.
Crazy to send Annie Power to Camelot as has been mentioned on another thread.There was a good staying NH mare in the ’60s called Clover Bud, Where she visited solid NH sires, I do remember a yearling of hers by Raffingora going through the ring at Doncaster unsold in the early 1970s.
This is a good looking horse and from a good female line. He has rather a few crosses to both the “Dancers”, but then what hasn’t at Coolmore?
If you are correct then they seem to be relegating sires to the second division rather quickly.Fighting Irish in the 1.50 at Leicester trained by Harry Dunlop and ridden by Adam Kirby is Camelot’s very first runner.
Camelot is a sire lots of people seem to be very excited about and his progeny have been very well received in the sales ring, however, this colt can’t be doing much at home as he is priced up at 66/1!
Whilst Camelot clearly is no Frankel I’ll be interested to follow his progress throughout the season, and hopefully we’ll see some smart Ballydoyle horses come out later on.
Even though he won the Guineas, and might have won the Leger but for a poor enough ride, you think any Camelot would be precious ? Or would be a kind of horse that gets 6 furlongs? Fact he is trained by Harry Dunlop , despite the pretty decent Robin of Navan, would hardly encourage anyone betting?
I put a lump on Society Rock to be top 2yo sire at the start of the season, so I hope Camelot doesn’t come to anything as
a sire!I fear my lad will hoover up quite a few maidens but old Camelot will steal a couple of tinpot Group or Listed races in Ireland. It could all come down the those valuable sales races.
Soviet Rock can do what he likes at as a 2yo sire, Camelot , like his father, will be expected to sire DERBY winners and other classics in the future. (not to say that SR could not produce fine sprinter milers and 10 f horses)
Will be interesting but for the life of me I cannot understand why he covered Annie Power unless they are looking to him to be a NH stallion – he did stay 14F and was a two time Derby winner and in my mind he could eventually end up being like another two time Derby winner in Old Vic who wasn’t fashionable enough for the flat boys but ended up a top NH stallion.
Maybe so , but Camelot also won the Guineas. Remains to be seen what will happen with his 2 year olds at distances under a mile.
As for Annie Power, why not? Quick exposure to the NH market, with probably one of the best mares in NH in a long time. Considering the need and desire to continue with Staying /Cup races and the realisation that they are important, there is a market for good stayers on the flat. St Leger -Ascot Gold Cup horses. Some of them can then try out Melbourne Cup and even the Japan Cup or Hong Kong later. It has not killed Big Orange on his travels, he was a nose from winning the Dubai Gold Cup which was a bout £400,000 worth to the winner. We saw Red Cadeaux win more prize money for just placing (and the odd Group 1 win) abroad
Fighting Irish has just run an excellent fourth (beaten just 3L eased up), and over 6f in May!
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Will be interesting but for the life of me I cannot understand why he covered Annie Power unless they are looking to him to be a NH stallion – he did stay 14F and was a two time Derby winner and in my mind he could eventually end up being like another two time Derby winner in Old Vic who wasn’t fashionable enough for the flat boys but ended up a top NH stallion.
Maybe so , but Camelot also won the Guineas. Remains to be seen what will happen with his 2 year olds at distances under a mile.
As for Annie Power, why not? Quick exposure to the NH market, with probably one of the best mares in NH in a long time. Considering the need and desire to continue with Staying /Cup races and the realisation that they are important, there is a market for good stayers on the flat. St Leger -Ascot Gold Cup horses. Some of them can then try out Melbourne Cup and even the Japan Cup or Hong Kong later. It has not killed Big Orange on his travels, he was a nose from winning the Dubai Gold Cup which was a bout £400,000 worth to the winner. We saw Red Cadeaux win more prize money for just placing (and the odd Group 1 win) abroad
A lot of the Ascot Gold Cup winners now tend to be middle distance horses going up in trip due to them being slightly below G1 level at 12F/14F as opposed to those horses being bred to stay a trip (who tend to go straight to the NH field) – even Rite of Passage the 2010 winner (who started over bumpers and took in hurdling) was by Giant’s Causeway.
One could argue that Coolmore themselves cemented that trend when Yeats (one time Derby favourite and a Coronation Cup winner) moved up into and ruled the staying division.
One would have to wonder whether the offspring of Camelot/Annie Power would be quick enough for the staying races on the flat against speedier bred middle distance types but then again stranger things have happened in the breeding shed, afterall Red Rum was bred to be a miler!
One would have to wonder whether the offspring of Camelot/Annie Power would be quick enough for the staying races on the flat against speedier bred middle distance types but then again stranger things have happened in the breeding shed, afterall Red Rum was bred to be a miler!
I think Camelot will be capable of breeding quite a bit of speed into them himself, he was precocious enough as a two year old and has a decent bit of speed on his dam side.
However I can’t imagine the foal will go to Ballydoyle rather than Ricci, Annie Power became something of a family pet to himself and Sussanah. Plus it probably wont be fast enough for anything but the staying races on the flat, even then there are doubts as you’ve mentioned. There’s no evidence to suggest Camelot wont be just as effective at producing top class 2 milers than stable-mates High Chaparral or Walk in the Park. At worst the foal doesn’t live up to his reputation, at best we have a future Champion Hurdler.
Ricci has never expressed any interest in going into the breeding side of things and with her turning 10 yrs old its a bit late to turn her into a broodmare especially when you have no stud set up to accomodate her and there is no guarantee that great racemares make great broodmares (a bit like the flat in that regard) – I could well see her going to the sales ring like other mares he has owned although it may be a tougher decision to make given what she did on the track.
Would be interesting to note who was the driving force behind wanting Annie to be covered in the first place – maybe Mrs Ricci (who the green and pink silks are in the name of) has championed this and wants to go into breeding moreso than her husband.
There is always the possibility that Ricci has garnered an interest in the breeding side of things over the years, it usually is something people get more and more interested in as they become more invested in the sport.
The Irish Field report that the foal will be auctioned at the Tattersalls November Sale, but I just don’t see the motive. Ricci is not short of a few quid and has no children that we are aware of, so financial gain is surely on the bottom of his bucket list? It would just seem a bit off if the foal was sent to auction, as a high-profile match such as this one has probably been in the pipeline for some time.Mullins and Ricci probably had AP entered with seven sires. Camelot was first to get to her.
I watched a documentary recently about Coolmore and one of their most interesting stallions is Camelot. Apparently he walks around the studfarm like he owns it and if he transfers that ability and confidence to his offspring who knows what they’ll achieve.
Poor old Camelot…he wasn’t half bad as a racehorse but he always seems to get the thin end of things.
Firstly he had to follow Frankel…thankless and impossible
Then he gets denied a Triple Crown by a runner who, on the balance of probabilities, was doped.
Finally this threadWhilst far from a greatest I will always have a soft spot for him and winning the Guineas with a son of Montjeu just might be Aidan’s greatest feat.
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