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I fancy Juveigneur to run a big race. But I don’t fancy state of play to be anything other than placed.
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Dissapointing really for me this is 1 of the worst quality Gold Cups in years with War Of Attrition and In Compliance both out injured and other horses like Racing Demon and Our Vic aiming for other races at the festival. Kauto Star can only throw the race away he’s got the beating of Exotic Dancer and Lami i can’t see The Listener or State of play getting to close and the only other horse with a realistic chance being Beef or Salmon a horse that has not produced his form in ireland in the Gold Cup. Apart from Kauto Star the above mentioned would struggle to finish in the top 10 of gold cup’s i have seen.
How can this be the worst quality Gold Cup for years when you have two horses, Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer both rated on figures superior to last years winner?
Now that was a poor quality Gold Cup the runner up was a National horse.
Flash,
Take Kauto Star out of the Gold Cup who is left
Exotic Dancer<br>The Listener <br>State of Play <br>Beef Or Salmon <br>L’Ami <br>My Will <br>Cane Brake <br>Our Vic <br>Racing Demon <br>Halcon Genelardais  <br>Kingscliff <br>Forget The Past<br>Neptune Collonges <br>Nil Desperandum <br>Monkerhostin <br>Turpin Green <br>Take The Stand <br>Idle Talk <br>Kill Devil Hill <br>Billyvoddan
The horses are in order of the betting so Beef Or Salmon and Anything below him wouldn’t have won any of the previous gold cups based on the way BOS ran when he stayed up. The Listener beat BOS in a 5 runner race in Ireland and was then beaten by him next time out when he was leading by 12 lengths suggests maybe he won’t get up the hill would he have beat Best Mate , Kicking King ? State of Play won well in the Hennesy and maybe would have challenged for previous Gold Cups as would Exotic Dancer.
(Edited by Danny at 5:26 pm on Mar. 8, 2007)
does anyone actually think this is a good quality Gold Cup? I would have said absolutly not but if soft ground prevails and the likes of the Listener are able to run up to form, it mightnt be too much of a disgrace. My Will ew for me.
SHL
Quote: from Danny on 5:25 pm on Mar. 8, 2007[br]Flash,
Take Kauto Star out of the Gold Cup who is left
Exotic Dancer
<br>(Edited by Danny at 5:26 pm on Mar. 8, 2007)<br>
<br>You can do that with any race take the two highest rated out and devalue it.
Kauto Star has a rating no horse that has run in a Gold Cup has achieved since Desert Orchid and Exotic Dancer has a RPR (rating varies slightly between others) of 175 two pounds higher than last years winner. So I don’t see how it can be a worse Gold Cup certainly than last year. Take the top two out of last years Gold Cup and whats the top rated horse 160 odd?
State Of Play, The Listener young and improving quality horses (The Listener has a rating of 170 by the way), Lami is an excellent bench mark and My Will is a tough bugger who’s been carrying big weights in handicaps yet I doubt very much he’ll make the first four.
Beef Or Salmon is another horse rated 170.
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Quote: from Flash on 5:04 pm on Mar. 8, 2007<br>Now that was a poor quality Gold Cup the runner up was a National horse. <br>
<br>Only a National horse for Chris’sake!!!!!
He won the National by 14l, was 2nd the following year carrying top weight on the wrong ground, won a gd3 wfa, placed in 3 gd1 wfa chases, earned a RPR of 170 and a t/s of 167, mostly on the wrong ground, and dismissed as only a National horse. <br>He is a high class horse, who earned his Gold Cup place on merit, not to be dismissed lightly by someone who happened to glance at a form book and
dismissed the top 2 to devalue it!
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Quote: from reet hard on 6:16 pm on Mar. 8, 2007[br]
Quote: from Flash on 5:04 pm on Mar. 8, 2007<br>Now that was a poor quality Gold Cup the runner up was a National horse. <br>
<br>Only a National horse for Chris’sake!!!!!
He won the National by 14l, was 2nd the following year carrying top weight on the wrong ground, won a gd3 wfa, placed in 3 gd1 wfa chases, earned a RPR of 170 and a t/s of 167, mostly on the wrong ground, and dismissed as only a National horse. <br>He is a high class horse, who earned his Gold Cup place on merit, not to be dismissed lightly by someone who happened to glance at a form book and
dismissed the top 2 to devalue it!
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<br>Talking of glancing I didn’t say he was "only" a national horse I said he was a National horse which he is he’s best known for his national performances. He’s not going to win top grade one chases at around three miles.
Cheers Aragorn. I Like Juveigneur also, backed him when he was second last year at 16’s. Looks a very very hot renewal though compared to last year.
In response to Sir HarryLewis, i have thought about My Will myself. Tough as granite, will relish the ground and the trip, acts round the course. I doubt it has enough class to beat the front two, but could easily run into a place with doubts about the others.
Cheers Aragorn. I Like Juveigneur also, backed him when he was second last year at 16’s. Looks a very very hot renewal though compared to last year.
In response to Sir HarryLewis, i have thought about My Will myself. Tough as granite, will relish the ground and the trip, acts round the course. I doubt it has enough class to beat the front two, but could easily run into a place with doubts about the others.
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