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In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.
It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!
I also totally agree that the original poster has a right to his/her opinion but,I’m also wondering why someone would feel it necessary to open a new thread on this subject when we already have another long with many people expressing strongly held opinions still going strong.
Ken,
The idea of this thread is to show those horses/races that will be affected by these new ridiculous rules and how the resultsWill be affected
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In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!
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To ignore the opinion of the general public, whether real or manufactured by the media, is crass stupidity.
I have two words to say to that, EF –
STEVE JOBS
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A mention on a racing forum is hardly a glowing obit. An individual has a singular purpose, whereas racing is littered with groups and individuals with their own agendas, thus racing as a whole is perceived to be fragmented, which this forum clearly proves.
I mention him, because he despised market research, focus groups and media/public opinion. He went his own way, and gave people "the best" as he and he alone saw it. His approach is therefore 180 degrees opposed to the BHA, who believe that responding to "what uninterested people want" with committee fudges will somehow bring the public through the turnstiles and into the betting shops.
As lovers of British Horse Racing, we need to stop accusing one another of stupidity, stop listening to the marketing gurus, and believe in what we’re doing rather than feeling guilty and morally uncertain about it. At root, that is the problem.
The unnecessary fuss over whip usage is in truth a symptom, not a cause, of Racing’s disease. It amounts to someone on the Titanic pointing a hair-dryer at the iceberg, and assuring us it will solve the problem.
In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!
Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.
How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!
As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?
Will you:
1. Never ever watch horse racing again?
2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?
3. Carry on watching & betting?
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Jockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.
Such as? Perhaps you mean riding with "hands and heels"?
Do you really believe that once the whip is banned, the Animal Welfare brigade won’t start in on this "hands and heels" technique? Our "hands and heels" is regularly described by the Animal Welfare people as "booting a horse in the belly". It is just as "cruel" as the whip and just as much aimed at pushing the horse through the pain barrier, which is what the RSPCA charter wishes to see banned, when it comes to using animals for entertainment.
That is therefore next on the agenda, on the way to a total ban on racing. Your pious hope that "the buck stops here" is exactly what the opposition relies on, and you should perhaps examine their agenda before you help them out.
If more genuine racehorses win, what’s the problem?
In my opinion the horses who regularly refuse to race should not be racing anyway.
New rules are going to be difficult for us punters, but still believe the changes (or most of them) worth it.
Value Is EverythingJockeys will now have to learn a different way of "encouraging" a horse to forward without resorting to the whip.
Such as? Perhaps you mean riding with "hands and heels"?
Do you really believe that once the whip is banned, the Animal Welfare brigade won’t start in on this "hands and heels" technique? Our "hands and heels" is regularly described by the Animal Welfare people as "booting a horse in the belly". It is just as "cruel" as the whip and just as much aimed at pushing the horse through the pain barrier, which is what the RSPCA charter wishes to see banned, when it comes to using animals for entertainment.
That is therefore next on the agenda, on the way to a total ban on racing. Your pious hope that "the buck stops here" is exactly what the opposition relies on, and you should perhaps examine their agenda before you help them out.
Where or when did I mention a total whip ban, the Animal Rights brigade or hands & heels races?
A good horseman doesn’t have to resort to the whip to get a horse moving.
Loving your paranoia that everyone is out to ban horse racing! No one with any power and/or intelligence listens to the Animal Rights nutters.
This new whip rule came into effect after a public outcry from a brutal ride from Jason Maguire in the world’s most watched horse race, not because some looney Animal rights group.
So Pinza, when are you going to "leave the game" because the National fences aren’t as big as they used to be, big races aren’t run midweek or even at the same track as they used to be or jockeys can no longer whip a horse as many times as he wants to?
In that example – I don’t see any sh*t hitting the fan. I see a jockey breaking the new rules and a horse that obviously doesn’t want to run being forced to do so by a jockey hitting it!
No i didn’t think you would funnily enough,we’ll see when Jockeys livelyhoods are being affected by these pathetic rules,particularly when its 20-30k thats being taken off them.The Sh*t will hit it big time then and its coming!
Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.
How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!
As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?
Will you:
1. Never ever watch horse racing again?
2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?
3. Carry on watching & betting?
I will on occassions no doubt be frustrated/dissapointed/Gutted at a result that would have been different had a Jockey been allowed to use his/her discretion in the amount of use of the whip required to win because as it stands jockeys will have used up their quota before even being allowed to ride a finish and those cases will get highlighted for all the wrong reasons….ERGH Non Trying!
Well if those jockeys aren’t intelligent enough to adapt their riding styles to the new rules, then yes they will be affected.
How you can call a rule that limits the amount of times a horse can be hit with a whip as "pathetic" is beyond comprehension!
As, for you, racing is doomed from Monday can I ask what you will do come Oct 10th?
Will you:
1. Never ever watch horse racing again?
2. Never ever bet on horse racing again?
3. Carry on watching & betting?
I will on occassions no doubt be frustrated/dissapointed/Gutted at a result that would have been different had a Jockey been allowed to use his/her discretion in the amount of use of the whip required to win because as it stands jockeys will have used up their quota before even being allowed to ride a finish and those cases will get highlighted for all the wrong reasons….ERGH Non Trying!
I see, so you’re going to carry on watching & betting but continue to moan as well. Yep, you really are a true "racing fan"!
It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!
You are certainly well named as
Deep Sensation
was the bridle horse of all bridle horses but then came along a bruiser of a horse who wouldn’t do a thing without the use of the whip…
Viking flagship
,how many times did he beat you?
It’s not difficult to ride a horse without using the whip but, it appears, the "racing fan" can’t face watching the sport anymore if they can’t witness horses being hit!
You are certainly well named as
Deep Sensation
was the bridle horse of all bridle horses but then came along a bruiser of a horse who wouldn’t do a thing without the use of the whip…
Viking flagship
,how many times did he beat you?
Erm never because I’m not a horse
But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning. I’m looking forward to seeing your race reading skills that will be able to spot each horse that would’ve won, if only the jockey could have hit it a few more times!
But it’s good to know you will carry on moaning.
Like you are moaning DP? About someone wanting a debate about racing, on a racing discussion forum?
Stick to a debate and stop the name calling please.
Value Is EverythingBut it’s good to know you will carry on moaning.
Like you are moaning DP? About someone wanting a debate about racing, on a racing discussion forum?
Stick to a debate and stop the name calling please.
Piss off!
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Loving your paranoia that everyone is out to ban horse racing! No one with any power and/or intelligence listens to the Animal Rights nutters.
We’re not talking the "nutters" – that’s far too easy to repeat. We’re talking the RSPCA, as you’d know if you looked at the relevant sections of their charter (which I published on the other thread). And if you don’t think David Muir’s intelligent, look at the way he made mincemeat of the BHA during the current negotiating round.
You’ve proved my point, incidentally, as you really do seem to believe that this is the end of the whip-usage argument, rather than just the end of the second battle in the course of a long retreat. I find it extraordinary that anyone with any sense of history might believe that the ban-merchants will stop here, at "five strokes". It’s a bizarre triumph of deluded hope over reality.
As for "leaving the game", I’m afraid to tell you that I’m here to stay and fight for what I believe is right, as opposed to giving way to populist nonsense.
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