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Let me try once more.The best sprinters are in Australia/France.The best middle distancew horse was SYT.The cup horses are trained in Ireland.The best 3yos are in Ballydoyle.The best classic horse is trained in Germany.Take Frankel out of the mix and what is left? A nice fillie trained by Gosden.Where sre all the other horses? We look forward with hope and anticipation to the St.leger.How about that! It used to be that Stoute,Gosden,Cecil, Dunlop et. al. would have three year olds to beat the band.Not any more.Have the Arabs bought them all up and lost them? Have the Arabs in fact sucked the blood out of English racing?
And it hasn’t changed since you last made that accusation.
As Cav has already said…"Eight of the world’s current top 20 racehorses are trained in the UK, Andy".
But like anything and everything else Andy, I suppose we’ll here the same thing from you once again before too long.
Value Is Everything4lbs at the upper echelon in the Intermediate distance range is a significant amount. Enough of a difference to say that he would be unlikely to win a group 1 event in this country over 10f given the ultra-competitive nature of the division.
That "ultra-competitive division" where a top 12 furlong horse can run (according to you EF) 4 lbs below his best… Yet still win a top 10 furlong race by half a length from a horse who (according to you) isn’t up to winning one…
The same "ultra-competitive division", where the other 2012 British Group 1 winner has already been retired… After winning his race from a non-stayer and one who was stopped in his run, without which would’ve been significantly closer… Oh yes, that same horse who (according to you) isn’t up to it.So much for these "ultra-competitive" races EF.
Without just one horse who (according to you) was running at a distance below his best… Farhh would’ve already won a Group 1 10f ultra-competitive event….
Without one horse who’s now retired… and with a little more luck in running… Farhh may well have already won two of these "ultra-competitive" 10f Group 1’s.Yet (according to you) Farhh is "unlikely to win a Group 1 event in this country".
Farhh did not require more luck in running, he just is not good enough. He may stand a chance if the ground came up bottomless, which renders proper form largely redundant.
There are group 1 events in Italy and Germany that he should be capable of winning if he is tried over there.The simple fact is that the horse does not deserve his place on the top 20 racehorses on his form thus far whatever scale one uses to measure ability.
Let me try once more.The best sprinters are in Australia/France.The best middle distancew horse was SYT.The cup horses are trained in Ireland.The best 3yos are in Ballydoyle.The best classic horse is trained in Germany.Take Frankel out of the mix and what is left? A nice fillie trained by Gosden.Where sre all the other horses? We look forward with hope and anticipation to the St.leger.How about that! It used to be that Stoute,Gosden,Cecil, Dunlop et. al. would have three year olds to beat the band.Not any more.Have the Arabs bought them all up and lost them? Have the Arabs in fact sucked the blood out of English racing?
Not sure the English horses are doing so bad Andy.
We may not have the best sprinters this year although Bated Breath, Mayson and a couple of others might have something to say on that in the Nunthorpe, but we did have the best last year in Dream Ahead.
The middle distance races have ben shared out in the last year with Nathaniel and Twice Over winning their share.
I thought Colour Vision won the Ascot Gold Cup from Opinion Poll?
Elusive Kate is laying claim to being the best mile 3 yo filly, The Fugue the best middle distance one.
Most Improved looks the best of a bad bunch at a mile.
John Gosden is closing in on AOB for the trainers title and has just won 6 Group 1’s in a month.
Oh and we have the greatest horse of all time.
Crisis? What crisis?
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
In recent years have Godolphjin helped or hurt racing in England?They buy the best yuearlings at the sales. TYhey buy the best tyos from other trainers and we never heart of them again. That cannot be good for racing?
An interesting question Andy but one to which there is no definite answer. The scale of the Godolphin operation is such that if it were removed from the UK racing scene it would leave a rather large hole. They employ a great many people, their employees have generally said that it is an excellent body to work for so I would say they have helped to improve the lot of stable staff.
Who would replace the operation if they were not there, when the support that Sheikh Mohammed and his brothers give to UK trainers is considered, then how many less jobs would there be and what would happen to the glut of horseflesh.
If you took their contribution away from UK racing, I would envisage a domino effect whereby there would be less horses in training, less people employed in the training of horses, many more unsustainable racecourses and an inevitable contraction in the scale and quality of racing in the UK.4lbs at the upper echelon in the Intermediate distance range is a significant amount. Enough of a difference to say that he would be unlikely to win a group 1 event in this country over 10f given the ultra-competitive nature of the division.
That "ultra-competitive division" where a top 12 furlong horse can run (according to you EF) 4 lbs below his best… Yet still win a top 10 furlong race by half a length from a horse who (according to you) isn’t up to winning one…
The same "ultra-competitive division", where the other 2012 British Group 1 winner has already been retired… After winning his race from a non-stayer and one who was stopped in his run, without which would’ve been significantly closer… Oh yes, that same horse who (according to you) isn’t up to it.So much for these "ultra-competitive" races EF.
Without just one horse who (according to you) was running at a distance below his best… Farhh would’ve already won a Group 1 10f ultra-competitive event….
Without one horse who’s now retired… and with a little more luck in running… Farhh may well have already won two of these "ultra-competitive" 10f Group 1’s.Yet (according to you) Farhh is "unlikely to win a Group 1 event in this country".
Farhh did not require more luck in running, he just is not good enough. He may stand a chance if the ground came up bottomless, which renders proper form largely redundant.
There are group 1 events in Italy and Germany that he should be capable of winning if he is tried over there.The simple fact is that the horse does not deserve his place on the top 20 racehorses on his form thus far whatever scale one uses to measure ability.
Disagree. I’ll bet you an even ton that Farhh wins a UK&Ire Group 1 over 10f-11f before he retires, i’ll even throw in the ground being better than ‘Soft’. He is still lightly raced and improving, IMO.
I cannot argue with the above. I only wish they would return to where they were ten years or so ago.Since then their contribution seems like JP’s contribution to Irish racing.Except they don’t use enough English trainers.JP has horses in everyone’s barn
An interesting question Andy but one to which there is no definite answer. The scale of the Godolphin operation is such that if it were removed from the UK racing scene it would leave a rather large hole. They employ a great many people, their employees have generally said that it is an excellent body to work for so I would say they have helped to improve the lot of stable staff.
Who would replace the operation if they were not there, when the support that Sheikh Mohammed and his brothers give to UK trainers is considered, then how many less jobs would there be and what would happen to the glut of horseflesh.
If you took their contribution away from UK racing, I would envisage a domino effect whereby there would be less horses in training, less people employed in the training of horses, many more unsustainable racecourses and an inevitable contraction in the scale and quality of racing in the UK.This point has been discussed on several threads before.
It is the owners prerogative to place horses as and where they want – sometimes at their peril !
Think back to when the Sheikh had his horses elsewhere e.g. Sir Henry et al.
Then add in the investment.
Is Godolphin a success ?
Would it have been better placed where it was ?
We all know the answer.
You pay your money and you take your choice.
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