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I agree with Mesh (is their something wrong with me ;) ). I’d sooner watch Sakhee beat Wareed and Muqbil than Foodbroker Founder run Hotelgeniedotcom or Freefourinternet (which i’ve been informed is a porn site aswell as a group/listed class racehorse) to a head.<br>
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Perhaps Hamdan’s first few thousand horses had really nice stand out names but after his millionth horse, he simply ran out of ”good” names and now he’s just running through the arabic dictionary.
All the same time, some of the names derived from that wonderful tongue have been pretty cool with my favourite being Sakhee (which apparently means Generous – thanks for that Tommo).
Admittedly, many of these foreign names will sound dull and lifeless but more often than not, they have an exotic ring to them which can bring a little flavour to our racecards.
Although it would have sucked if the greatest flat horse of our lifetime hadn’t had his name changed to Dubai Millenium. I think he was called yaami or something bland like that. I’m sure though that Yaami means something nice and I could have let it grown on me after time because I would never have known of a Dubai Millenium. Or worse still, that name could have been given to a castoff running at Ludlow tomorrow.
But then I think back to my second favourite entire (Persian Punch was the best flat horse of all time and don’t you forget it…He died for all your sins) flat horse in Lammtarra.
His name was so cool that I’ve probably spelt it wrong. That and I still have no idea what it means!!!!
Hey, I just reminded myself of the episode of Family Guy (where Peter sets up his own country) when they’re standing in Clevelands back lawn and Peter starts talking and just loses control pretty much :-
Brian asks Peter ”Do you even listen to yourself when you’re talking?” and Peter replies ” I drift in and out.”
It’s getting late now so I’m going to bed before I start to believe that I’m dating Lorna Bradbourne for real.
Good topic though!
Peace
Ian,
You state –
"Just seems like a bit of common courtesy and respect for local culture to me."
So what exactly do you mean by "local culture"? If you feel the use of Arabic names for racehorses in Britain is some sort of insult to the "local culture", where does that leave the couple of million Muslims who call Britain home?
Do you think Nasser Hussain should change his name to John Smith in case he offends the patrons at Lords?
I find horses names fascinating. I’m not bothered if they’re ridiculous or not. Did anyone listen to Radio 1 on Grand National Day though? They had a sweepstake for listeners and people had to phone in to pick their horse, One guy got Tyneandthyneagain, but th egirl in the studio reading out the name had obviously never heard of the horse (or any horse for that matter!) and COULD NOT pronounce the name! She couldn’t see that it was real words strung together and was making such a hash of it! I was almost screaming at her in the end! Finally between three of tem, light dawned and they got it!
I heard about a horse that was once refused the name "Norfolk In Chance"….think about it!
oh my god we have political correct liberals and radio one listeners in the building:o suddenly thommo and co dont seen so bad
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I can’t see why anyone is offended by foreign names. The owner owns the horse and pays the bills, so it is up to him/her to decide what a horse is called.
As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, if it wasn’t for the Maktoums, racing would be in a very dire situation in this country. So let them be.
Dubai Millennium was called Yaazer.
I prefer the name they changed it to.
They named his first offspring (colt out of Zelanda) Millennium Junior at first but thankfully they’ve changed it to Rajwa.
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The name change of Dubai Millennium, from Yaazer, is the most famous of recent times, but that similarly top-class performer Bosra Sham was originally called Quercifolia by her breeder, the late Gerald Leigh.
of course Istabraq was hated for his name, and had fewer followers as a consequence…..
It’s amazing how people like runandskip assume that screaming "political (sic) correct liberals" is good enough to sort any argument. Care to expand on your ideas a bit more and see where it leads you?
What an absolutely ridiculous post this is – all in all. Who gives a tiny rat’s ass what a horse is called ? The horses don’t know their name – they just get on the track and run (well, some of them).
Whether a horse is called ‘Nice One Old Bean’ or ‘ Ramtakafallakhani’ – I dont care ! If it’s got the form I will back it, if not then Ill leave it alone.
I am not offended by someone bringing over their horses to race in this country and using names which mean something to them. I guess the Arabic names do bare some relevance to something of meaning, rather than the English ‘Alastair Smellie.’ Bringing a bit of culture to racing never hurt anyone did it ?
I’d say – if you dont like the Hamdan’s naming their own horses how the hell they want, then sod off to a country where horses are only named according to the country they are in. Oh, wait a minute, no such place exists.
Jesus, if the biggest problem you can find is an Arab owner giving his horse an Arab name, then you need to get out a bit. Would you expect an Arab family to call their baby son ‘James’ because he was born in England. Don’t be such a muppet.
LGR.
Quote: from MorgansHarbour on 12:50 pm on May 6, 2004[br]of course Istabraq was hated for his name, and had fewer followers as a consequence…..<br>
<br>Not as bad as Tisrabraq, actually was quite a decent hurdler a couple of years back.
Quote: from MorgansHarbour on 12:50 pm on May 6, 2004[br]of course Istabraq was hated for his name, and had fewer followers as a consequence…..<br>
Is that true? Why on earth would that be?
Ian,
Why do I always suspect the bona fides of anyone who needs to quailify a statement like "I have not an ounce of racial prejudice or bigotry in me"?
Your qualification in this case – "but I do have a bit of respect for tradition" – comes straight from the Enoch Powell Book of Racist Scaremongering written in the 60’s. It’s always been a favoured tactic of the racist to dress up their bigotry as concern for tradition and to portray themselves as "protectors" of that tradition from a non-existant threat from a minority culture.
Your next statement really lets the cat out of the bag – "English is the primary spoken langauge in this country and, if a horse bred in Britain has a British-named sire and dam, I like to see it have a relevant British name, that’s all" Alf Garnett couldn’t have put it better. That stance doesn’t leave much room for inclusiveness or tolerance, does it? Doesn’t leave much room for any native Welsh, Irish or Scots Gaelic speakers either.
I’m delighted to hear you don’t lose any sleep over the issue but please don’t come on here and dress up your jaded, anachronistic views as anything other than what they are.
BTW, anybody whose main consideration for naming a horse is to choose a name that would "endear" them to the locals is not just an arse-kisser, but a condescending arse-kisser, at that.
Ian,
You are not Ricky Gervais doing a spot of research for his next series for David Brent, are you? I can see it now – David Brent loses his job in Slough and decides to set up a Betting Exchange company on the internet.
I made the connection between you and David Brent months ago and I haven’t been able to take you seriously since. I used to send some of my favourite David Brent-isms you wrote to friends of mine and they all agree that they could have been written by the master himself. Some of my favourites –
“Opinionated, pompous, arrogant, 24-carat pain in the arse? – Guilty, m’lord.â€ÂÂ
I sign in here yesterday to read informative, sensible conversation regarding racing’s main issues and come on today to see – am I right ? – two people arguing over one’s racial prejudice’s ?? Have I logged on to http://www.thepoliticalcorrectnessforum.co.uk by mistake ??
I am in no way a racist and despise anyone who harbours any sort of prejudice (unless against the Welsh – just kidding :) ) and I sure as hell don’t want to read about it on here. Pety, pathetic arguments from people whose brains don’t outweigh a garden pea are not things I wish to see.
Mr. Davies, you seem to be the self-proclaimed guru on every other aspect of racing (based on your righteous posts on every other sodding topic on here). Whatever anybody says, you know better – gets irritating after a while. As such, I would have thought your pride and obvious racing high-standing would elevate you above this sort of childish behavious. So, for god’s sake keep your little tiffs for your own time or some other poor forum. Granted, you are not the only one involved here and the same goes for ACR1.
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans – grow the hell up.
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