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trouble down at Cronulla beach between young Middle Eastern Aussies and young Anglo Aussies.
in a nutshell:
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Cronulla was possibly Australia’s biggest racist protest since vigilante miners killed two Chinese at Lambing Flat in 1860.
Yesterday’s violence had been brewing for months. It came to a head last weekend when some Lebanese Australian men attacked members of the North Cronulla Surf Life Saving Club after they asked the visitors to stop playing soccer because it was disturbing other beach users.
"Steely" – who did not want to identify himself "for fear the Lebs will come and shoot up my joint during the week" – said his children had been scared by Lebanese Australians coming in from the western suburbs.
"I’ve got a four-year-old girl and a boy who’s 11, and they see these b*****d
s come here and stand around the sea baths ‘cos their women have got to swim in clothes and stuff, or they see them saying filthy things to our girls," he said.
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/12/ … 51620.html
youth thing, racial thing, or what ?
<br>best regards
wit
bit of both probably.
economic (particularly job) situation in Australia leaves lots of (thick and/or young) people with rubbish work if any.
country sits happily well to the right of centre and are happy to blame pretty much all of their woes on immigrant populations.
racism and xenophobia rife. kids looking for something to do. bingo – a riot! looked like a load of handbags on tv, but then this is Oz…
I suppose, by your definition, that the Jews were "at the centre" of the Holocaust?
LOL :biggrin:
Oi Twister.
I just looked that one up on Google, and I think the Jews were there you know. Right at the center of it.
You idiot!
Yeah..
Can you explain the "tube-in" thing for me, as I thought the Gay thing was on another thread.;)
Love you more each day!
Quote: from Peaty Sandy on 4:48 pm on Dec. 12, 2005[br]I suppose it is not fair to say that all Muslims are terorists.<br>
<br>How generous of you.<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Quote: from Peaty Sandy on 1:29 pm on Dec. 15, 2005[br]But no comment on the second part of my statement ?
‘But I reckon it is fair to say that nearly all terrorists are Muslims these days’. <br>
<br>I don’t recall there being a high Muslim head-count in the IRA.<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Quote: from Peaty Sandy on 4:07 pm on Dec. 15, 2005[br]Who really gave a monkeys if one set of eejit Paddys were knocking the bejaysus out of another set of equally eejit Paddys ?
<br>Their families, loved ones and anyone else caught inbetween, I presume.<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
I spent a year in Oz recently, and this was always on the cards. The locals are getting fed up with the Lebanese youths running amok in Sydney. They go around gang raping young white Australians, mugging and kicking the sh*t out of pensioners and basically making life hell for most decent citizens. These Lebbos are the scum of the earth, and are unfortunately, giving a very bad name to the many decent Lebanese that fled to Oz.
It was only a matter of time before there was some sort of reprisals, and these scumbags deserve everything they get.
Couple of very interesting articles in the Sydney Morning Herald.
Extracts:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/yea … 11519.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>"If I walk around the streets, publicly promoting the fact that I am Lebanese and looking tough, there’s going to be smoke preceding me even before I turn the corner. It’s like a cowboy mentality, and people get an adrenaline rush," he said.
While very few Australian men of Lebanese background choose to take advantage of it, a minority lacking pride in anything else revel in the power.
"The one opportunity, the one forum, that gives them a sense of pride and meaning is to congregate with other people, in the safety of numbers, and pretend they are king of the streets," Mr Wakim said.
Radical clerics have exacerbated the power of victimhood, cashing in on the fight against terrorism. Their message is that "You’re the victims; Australia is racist", suggested Mustapha Kara-Ali, a representative on the Muslim Community Reference Group, the Government’s advisory body.
"The youth are being trained on this message and so they can easily identify with a black minority in America that were oppressed and victimised by the ‘white man’."
An isolationist message is often reinforced at home and, once an attitude of rebellion takes root, it can spiral out of control.
Silma Ihram, Principal of Noor Al Houda Islamic College in Strathfield, believes some parents are really struggling with their children. In Lebanon, family control is maintained under the watchful eyes of the wider community. "Here the kids might be dealing drugs up the street [and no one knows]. It’s a completely different environment.
"They’re not doing the [Islamic religious] practice and they haven’t got the values, and all they have left is the anger……they become like mini-terrorists and the deeper they go, the harder it is to reform them."
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"We got north Lebanese, disproportionately Shiite, mostly peasants, mostly uneducated, who didn’t want to be here in the first place," Kennedy says. "They come from a very patriarchal culture. They don’t go in for the greater good. Their families have survived a brutal civil war. They are tribal. They are aggressive. They are in your face. And they are not grateful.
<br>……though the Lebanese Muslim community is about 40,000 – just 1 per cent of Sydney’s 4 million population – Kennedy believes the social gulf has drifted to the point of social danger: "The mismanagement of this situation by politicians, lawyers and police has taken us to the point where we could see violent civil disorder on a scale we have not seen before. The minute you talk tough, and these Lebanese guys lose face, they only know one thing to do. Retaliate. You saw it immediately after the Cronulla riot.
<br>…..While the violence at Cronulla was racist mob hysteria, it was also alcohol-fuelled, random and spontaneous, and there have been some conspicuous apologies.
In contrast, the response from the hard men in Lakemba, Punchbowl and Bankstown, was co-ordinated, armed, premeditated and took the violence to another level.
On Monday night, men in cars assembled at Punchbowl Park, then drove in convoy, with hazard lights on, to Cronulla, where the convoy proceeded in formation down both sides of the Kingsway. A megaphone was brought along to challenge people to come out and fight. It was a message. The police do not control the streets.
The police, by accident or design, were nowhere to be seen during this militia-style show of force. It was the latest in a long line of embarrassments.
Tim Priest, another police whistleblower, warned in a speech delivered on November 12, 2003, two years before the Cronulla riots and the Paris riots: "In hundreds upon hundreds of incidents police have backed down to Middle Eastern thugs and taken no action and allowed incidents to go unpunished. I stress the unbelievable influence that local politicians and religious leaders played in covering up the real state of play in the south-west …
My prediction is that within 10 years there will be no-go areas in south-western Sydney, just like Paris ……
…….."The young police know that if they ever go in hard, they will get no back-up from the courts, or the police hierarchy. They may be charged with assault and accused of being racist. So we have a static, scared, reactive police force that is driven by statistics, not arrests. That’s why you’re starting to see vigilante-type thinking."
Over the past week, a series of newspaper reports have quoted girls in Cronulla saying aggression and sexual innuendo from young Lebanese men have been routine for years at Cronulla.
A middle-aged Lebanese man, Peter, who has regularly visited friends at Cronulla, told the story of how they would be surrounded by dozens of young Lebanese men who would tell them, "This is our spot", and intimidate them out of the picnic area.
Another police officer, a detective sergeant, says: "In reality, the sexual assaults and harassment are much higher than are reported. Many girls don’t have the courage to face these young men. They are ruthless; they have no regard for the law." There have been thousands of incidents of girls being called "sluts" or similar at Cronulla and elsewhere over the past decade. This sense of loss of civil safety was the context of the size of the Cronulla demonstration last Sunday.
"You can’t beat these people into submission," says Kennedy. "It will empower the most violent. The police can only keep a lid on things. This is about politics. Politicians can’t expect the rank and file to sort out the messes they have been creating…… This is a symptom of something much bigger."
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best regards
wit<br>
as a measure of the impact all this is having, according to the SMH:
Bondi Beach had 3000 people yesterday versus 25,000 normally.
North Cronulla 100 versus 5000.
North Wollongong 200 versus 2000.
Nobbys Beach, Newcastle 20 versus 300.
<br>best regards
wit
Bet Enoch didnt ever think about OZ.
But.. Its begining to happen every where.
This immigration thing is the best! Its the way forward! Its the worlds future! Its brilliant.
And "It will never cause unrest"!!!!!!!!
Jeeez. Its so clear to me but not to some others. Why is that?
LM "Jeeez. Its so clear to me but not to some others. Why is that? "<br> <br> Because politicians are spineless kn*b-heads
i think the point may be that the issues are emerging in  the (locally born and locally raised) generation that follows the generation that arrived.
best regards
wit
I think that there’s a general mis-understanding that ethnic minorities cannot be as bigotted and rascist as anyone else.
Certain immigrant communities do not wish to and cannot integrate into the society which they found themselves in and eventually get the heave. The British for example in India.
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