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Whatever chance Satulagi may have on the figures is surely irrelevant considering she will be badly outpaced at 5f. She wants 7f nowadays. Gilded looks weighted to have a very good chance, but she’s by no means a certainty, especially in a race where the draw often has a big impact.
Regarding Strategic Prince, there are 2 negatives about him for me. The temperament in his family, and the fact he’s trained by Paul Cole.
Well that’s one discounted, DJ. :biggrin:
Zafonical Storm patently failed to stay 7f at Newmarket but has Group form and I wonder whether the small BW Duke stable has prepped him for this.
FSL, I like Elhamri – a nice, tough, genuine galloping type – but the weights are unfavourable.
The form of Everymanforhimself’s win up at Beverley looks ropey to me (and I am not the world’s biggest fan of the Given yard).
Cav Okay? Was the first run a flash in the pan? Who knows.
I dunno, team. Gilded looks like wages, given a high draw.
More likely for me that Zafonical Storm was flattered in Ireland. Failure to reproduce it in handicap company virtually confirms it, especially as his effort that day was more in keeping with the rest of his form. The Bryan Smart horse that slashed up at Beverley yesterday Ice Mountain looks to have good claims on yesterdays form and less exposed than most on the field, I’d probably be happy to side with that.<br>
I disagree EC. Weight adjusted on Saturday, I think he’s shown form capable of beating Gilded and is open to improvement to boot. We’ll see though.
He might not qualify as the best 2yo seen out so far but I do like Holy Roman Emperor. I was impressed with his debut; diappointed in the Coventry (IMO that run was too bad to be true and can be ignored) then thought he did it well in the Railway Stakes. Of course Ballydoyle probably have plenty more they have yet to unleash that could be anything – I did hear recently that they reckon they have half a dozen or so at home that they think are better than HRE – I look forward to seeing them all out!
Following his run in the Norfolk, I think Cav Okay would be perfect for a race at Glorious Goodwood (Molecomb). There was a similar speedball Wunders Dream that won the same race a couple of years ago after running well in the Super Sprint, and I think that the promise of that first run was mirrored at Royal Ascot.
Gilded given a middle-to-high draw in 14. (from 23 declared).
On the evidence of today, so far. I wouldn’t want to be drawn too high. A centre draw might be ideal which puts horses like Elhamri and Gold Spirit in with a shout. But at the weights, the Queen Mary winner looks the one to beat.
Thousand Words. Was very impressed with his win at Newbury over Drumfire. With a view to the future I think this is the most promising two year old so far. I thought he won very comfortably despite another questionable Richard Hughes ride (I wondered where he was going for half a furlong).
Dutch Art, many people’s banker of the meeting, (errrrr…mine at least) now runs in the Morny in a fortnight.
Hamoody deputises.
Not many people would know that I tipped it EC as no-one ever reads the lays and plays section. I think its a great prospect for the Guineas and possibly the Derby too. I took 9/2 tiday I cannot believe it was 6/1:o . Glad you were on EC have you got it antepost for The Guineas?
Paul Cole has spoken of Strategic Prince being a possible Cup horse, but I think it may be a bit of bull. I think he’lll win the 2000 Guineas and Derby. He looked a monster to me.
It’s brilliant when you see a horse start sprinting at the finish of a race, when the rest of the field are tying up – like Poor old Horatio did in his penultimate race, when he came second to Sir Percy, after being baulked at the crucial time. At Group I level, I think it’s the mark of a champion.
But what about a horse that, at first, looks as if it’s starting to sprint towards the finish but is actually only lengthening, but at its normal cruising speed, after sort of ambling, sauntering along, beforehand? That’s what it looked like SP did in his penultimate, admittedly inferior race. I didn’t see his win today. But in that previous race, he cut them down so effortlessly he reminded me of Secretariat. It’s been said that he sprinted for 12 furlongs. But he was evidently just cruising.
This is all probably a load of guff, because it’s just a personal impression. I wish I could spare just a fiver to bet on him at 20s in the Guineas. All my returns from today, such as they are, are with Betdaq. Reinvested for tomorrow.
Quote: from Grimes on 11:29 pm on Aug. 2, 2006[br]Paul Cole has spoken of Strategic Prince being a possible Cup horse, but I think it may be a bit of bull. I think he’lll win the 2000 Guineas and Derby. He looked a monster to me.
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<br>Think yer getting yer Strategics mixed up Grimes, he was talking about Strategic Mount, todays 12f heritage handicap winner as a GC horse
Quote: from Grimes on 11:29 pm on Aug. 2, 2006[br]<br>But in that previous race, he cut them down so effortlessly he reminded me of Secretariat. <br>
He’s up with the best 2-y-o’s this year, but he didn’t even run as well as recent winners Shamardal and Lucky Story.
Remember before you dive in for Guineas prices that Paul Cole has a full winter to ruin him. He shows too much speed to stay the Derby trip imo. His relations that were stayers were all by stout influences and one of his siblings by Danehill (sire of Dansili, Strategic Prince’s sire) Asley, showed similar speed to Strategic Prince at 2.
Of course, comparing him to Secretariat was way over the top. But he just seemd to be in a different race, a different dimension even, in that relatively lowly penultimate race. And he didn’t win by a furlong…
In another connection, I didn’t bet on the race but I’ve just seen Jon-Jo’s New Time take off from the field in the last furlong or so, at Stratford, seem to slow down and take a breather coming up to the last, jump it slowly and then fall.
It’s doubtless easier said than done, but I couldn’t help wondering even when he took off, if it wouldn’t have been better to cruise at a higher but more even pace (and take the last fence at "normal" speed).
(Edited by Grimes at 3:49 pm on Aug. 3, 2006)
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