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I’m trying to work out how you got your nickname Keith:biggrin: !! and sorry you found a lot of this thread :puke: -making. I’m not entirely at odds with the gist of some of what you were saying but am always wary of those who go around propounding the "you’re all hypocrites but me I’m not" line. I don’t think the people who have expressed sadness over the death of Valiramix are being such, nor that they don’t care if they see an unconsidered 150/1 shot hit the deck with the same result. It is a difficult one and RichK is right that it just ain’t a black-and-white issue. I love jump racing, am not overjoyed to see horses killed or seriously injured, but accept it as part and parcel. For this reason I, like many others, try not to be sentimental about horses. If you’re indifferent I think fair enough, far better that than being one of the sickos who cheers falls if it gives their selection a squeak. As with most things perhaps balance is best: no jump racing would to me be as unacceptable as having horses still jumping 8foot brick walls at Aintree!!
What is most disturbing for me (whatever the rights and wrongs of NH racing) is that these days, the only times jumping makes the news, the reporter is always able to mention, in the first paragraph, how many dead horses there were in the race (although they’d never bother sending their poxy cameras to a Point-to-Point meeting, as any dead horses there are irrelevent of course).
How long can this go on before non-racing people start asking serious questions that we are unable to answer? For the first time ever, I’m dreading the Grand National this year.<br>
sometimes the spectical, the sport the bravery off the competertors ect <br>is more inportant than the money<br>iv forgot throwing my ticket away on carbury cross <br>i will back another 25/1 that beats all bar one <br>i wont see valiramix run again <br>and was lucky to see all off isty<br>roll on wenesday and thursday<br>and for u sad people who think moneys all important<br>i see u once a week in the bookies most off u looking at the t/v shouting FALL<br>
for me, i relaly wanted to give up all interest in racing after cardinal hill and joe mac were put to sleep within a month of each other a couple of years ago. But i love racing, gambling is an attractive side of it. But it was watching the races when i was younger that i got into the sport , not as an opportunity to make money. Yes, horses do die, and it is the unfortunate egg shells that go towards making teh omlette. If istabraq had won yesterday, i wouldnt have been able to calm myself for the week.
I’ll throw in my two cents. I was unbearably nervous before the race. The atmosphere was electric. But as soon as I heard Istabraq being pulled I could be here shouting……" Ah for f*** sake " across the parade ring and could not be bothered watching the rest of the race. Now is that sentiment or gambling. I went along way to see that horse be pulled up.
News Flash.  Dead Horse Shocker.  The silence from caring forumites is deafening.  Not a popular horse so hardly worth telling anybody how deeply it affected you. ÂÂÂ
Rouble broke both forelegs in the 2.00 at Cheltenham in a particularly nasty fall.  Still that’s the price of today’s entertainment.
Our thoughts are with those caring forumities in what must be a difficult time for them.  <br>
Did the horse die in the way described.  Yes<br>Did any of the caring forumities rush to express their sorrow. No<br>Is the occasional fatally injured horse a price NH fans are prepared to pay for their entertainment.  Evidently it is.
Apart from the last bit which is a blatant piss take I don’t see how anyone could argue with these facts.<br>
keith,
I think teh point that you may or may not be missing is that most of us fomumites realise teh dangers of racing. We have come to terms with teh fact that horses die on course. Something that we dont like but realise that national hunt horses these days are bred for sport. What option do they have? 3m flat races – rouble and valiramix both fell on the flat. Noone likes seeing a horse die, but it has to be faced with a touch of resignment when it happens. That these fatalites are highlighted at cheltenham ( where the races are run that bit quicker ) is only natural. More people were upset at McCoys tantrum at not catching teh horse than the fact that he fell from a betting point of view. The attitude is not hypcritical.
There is alight year between that attitude and joking about a horse breaking both its forelegs, or at least using it to hammer home an idiotic point. I think you may view it as a gamblers sport. I dont gamble on anything else other than horse racing and i would enjoy it all the same if betting was taken out of it.
Ehh I’m sure many are upset by it Keith, just like many were on tenderhooks waiting to see how Ballyhampshire Boy was…thankfully he was ok
I’m sure they also worry about Father McCarten in the Sun Alliance and also the condition of Risk Accessor,
I don’t want to seem like I’m proving anything here but please don’t brand and judge everyone,
Oh yes, and don’t be such a tosser as well ..
Rather than the usual tipping competitions how about having a caring contest.  You could have a league table showing just who has shown the most compassion for a dead horse that week.
Imagine the scramble for top spot between Escorail, Jim, Kathy and Dan. ÂÂÂ
Keith just look up the horse’s name on the Racingpost’s search engine and tell me should we ban flat racing as well?
Keith ……….
Please include me in the league table as well. I was gutted about Valiramix yesterday and gutted about Rouble today. I know the horses died on the flat but the facts are that two days of the festival have passed and we haven’t escaped death on either day.
Roll on the winter derby at Lingfield on Saturday ……… it’s hard odds-on that there will not be a fatality there.
Come on Keith ….please ……. pretty please …….. can I be in your league table too ??  :o
Keith, what is it with you? are you on your bad week? if I want to care about horses I’ll care about horses, I’m not a money grabbing gambler, I could watch horseracing day in day out without even having a bet, these horses give "real" racing people pleasure so why shouldn’t we be saddened when we lose them?
ps. I’d love to sit proudly at the top of the horse caring table (if there was one), I’m sure others would too!
Aiden.  I don’t want to ban any type of racing that’s not my point.  What I object to is the way some people display there caring like a badge of honour.
Nick.  Ok you’re in at number 4, with a bullet.  But you’re gonna have to go some to knock Escorail off top spot
Apparently Jim’s betting shop has a counsellor who will give him a hug when he sees a horse fall.
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