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People throwing abuse at Ruby is bizarre.
Rock on Ruby had no right to win yesterday…and nearly did. First off the bridle and still only lost by 1/2l.
Attacking SWC in an undignified and thoroughly unjustified manner is disrespectful both to Sam and Kauto himself. We all witnessed a piece of history on boxing day, and even if you despise the horse you cannot detract from his patent talent, remarkable heart and tenacious longevity. Long Run is a young but talented horse, though it is my opinion that he lacks a little of the scope of his older rival. Hence he hits the top of the fences and loses momentum rather than gaining yards. Some of the spectacular leaps of the winner took my breath away and reminded us all why this horse is the defining animal of the 21st century jumps scene.
Lay off Sam, he did a good job on a horse that was inferior on the day. He deserves to ride that horse as much as any professional, and Sam, Robert and Long Run are part of a package so people better face up to that. Why would a father ever slight his son in such a way as to refuse to let him ride the horse? People’s humanity is clearly missing in the vicious comments on here. Unless Sam gives up the ride himself for whatever reasons, he is here to stay, and a damn sight more talented than the various armchair jockeys on this and other forums.
Let us celebrate a great and wonderful winner who has rewarded the racing public in a way no other has done since the heady days of Arkle or Dawn Run or any of those other old favourites. Nobody has done more for racing than this horse and his compatriot Denman.
I don’t think anyone was hurling abuse at Rube, Rubyigits. Factual statements were made about his, no doubt, very occasional lapses in the saddle, though I fully understand and share your admiration form his normal brilliance. The only person treated as an Aunt Sally here has been poor young Sam Waley-Cohen.
I accept that Sam Whaley Cohen is the rider.
What I do not accept is people telling me he is a good jockey, he is not a very good and no amount of spinning by the racing media will ever change this. He does not get the best out of this horse i am convinced 100%
Maybe not Rube, but SWC is not going anywhere, and to be honest he has not made any diabolical mistakes on LR thus far so let us wait and see if LR is the horse he has been touted as. Like I said, it is a Sam-Robert-LR package and nothing will change that. The horse is not a good enough jumper as of yet in any event.
Yes he is diabolical jumper…really really bad.
Never seen such a poor Jumper for a gold cup winner.
Not convinced however that its all the horse but alas we will find out soon enough
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Raced 20 Won 12 2nd 5 3rd 3 = pretty good JUMPING record!! Not bad for a "diabolical jumper"!!!! Let me see – memories of a young Kauto actually doing some diabolical jumps which decked him and/or rider … but yesterday he was superb. At least Long Run stays on his feet and could well improve his technique with age (and Yogi’s help?)
PS Rider rode a point-to-point winner today.
I had heard that Yogi Breisner was working with him, and he is a very good trainer of horses. Do you think his jumping has deteriorated from last season or is it simply that Kauto has got his fire back after an off-par 12 months?
I have to say my observation is that LR does not throw away his hind legs and sits down on the fences, losing momentum and ground. From experience, it is difficult to train a horse out of this if they have not the natural ability to jump cleanly with their hind legs.
Not to defend Mr Waley-Cohen but he is only an amateur, if as experienced punters you are placing money on Long Run then surely you are adding this handicap? Last season we saw a supposed 20lb+ improvement from Long Run to win the King George, however if the form line of Nacarat is to be taken, Kauto The Greatest Star has only given the same performance he produced two years previous (distance between Kauto winning and Nacarat was 41Lengths in both races). Maybe the reignighted training efforts of a Mr Nicholls has had the desired effect. In my humble opinion Long Run has shown limited form to be talked of in the same breath as Greats such as Kauto and Denman. For the BHA to rate Long Run so highly off two reasonable perfomances after defeat to Little Josh is beyond me and maybe they should stop listening to speculation before rating a racehorses performance. In conclusion Mr Waley-Cohen may only be a part time jockey but maybe many people have been sucked in by the Long Run hype, even if he wins the Gold Cup it will mean nothing against a 12 year old great and bear in mind there is nothing else in the 3m + sector at present.
im agreeing with ruby…
and the comment by ten plus is a bit silly, nobody has slated long runs record. but can you honestly say if he didn’t jump spot on in those places he wouldn’t have improved that record to maybe wins?
exactly!
The horse is not a good enough jumper as of yet in any event.
I think you know this is part of the jockeys job, and a reflection not just of the horses ability, but also of the jockeys
Feel very sorry for LR, he is a very good horse who won the gold cup,carrying a vast amount of dead weight,which is all SWC is.
SWC gives the horse no confidence at jumps and asks LR to rise a millisecond too soon in my opinion which is why it looks like LR scrapes the top of fences, SWC also has waterski feet in the irons, never a sign of a confident rider consequently he is never balanced, LR maybe the jolly for the gold cup but with SWC on board I wouldn’t put a penny on him.- Total Posts 17716
I had heard that Yogi Breisner was working with him, and he is a very good trainer of horses. Do you think his jumping has deteriorated from last season or is it simply that Kauto has got his fire back after an off-par 12 months?
I have to say my observation is that LR does not throw away his hind legs and sits down on the fences, losing momentum and ground. From experience, it is difficult to train a horse out of this if they have not the natural ability to jump cleanly with their hind legs.
Agree the horse does tend to drag his back legs through a number of fences, and it does cost him dear. Yogi has worked with him since last year’s Paddy Power though, and has still to work the oracle. Maybe a more experienced pilot might augment his racecourse tutelage?
Doubt his jumping has got worse though. He got away with it in what appears a substandard KG last season, and the stiffer test of the Gold Cup allowed him more time to redress his errors. Probably get away with it this year, too, though he’ll never realise the potential of his massive engine – until someone teaches him to clear his fences properly.I don’t think a reminder of Long Run’s record is "silly" but I do think describing his jumping as "diabolical" is … surely a "diabolical" jumper is one who makes really bad erros and unships rider/falls fairly regularly? Not one who maybe doesn’t get over the jumps as fluently as he might but actually does get to the other side with his rider … ??
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I think it is great that in our sport an amateur has the chance to perform at the highest level. What if Marcus Armytage had lost the Grand National on Mr Frisk? Should John Thorne have ridden Spartan Missile?
Value Is EverythingSWC’s family have their roots in amateur racing … but they have also the money/luck to acquire some outstanding horses and have enjoyed some quite unbelievale results – and well done to them. However it is I imagine very much small fry in terms of Formula 1 and therefore not really comparable imo …
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