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how can they conytinue let this statue inadequate excuse to ride this horse,watch him and watch a journey man jockey theres 20lb differences what would this be like we a proper jockey on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t like to criticize the lad, but a proper jockey would surely help his jumping. Only a few lengths behind KS, BG would probably have made the difference. A great horse deserves a good jockey and should be allowed to achieve it’s full potential.
i don’t think cohen is totally to blame, the horse just isn’t a natural jumper like kauto etc. if he didn’t make a mistake like kauto didn’t, im sure the horse would get up every time.
still, in my opinion you cannot afford to have novice jockeys on a horse with that much potential, and im sure cohens rhythm interacts badly with long run when paddling those fences when he needs to ping them.
however, geraghty hardly rode a peach of a ride on bobs worth. just because bobs worth picked up from well behind against cue card, doesn’t mean it will against grands crus. think the novices this season are all underestimating each other.
they seriously need to consider whats going wrong with long run though, which im sure is difficult because i guess the horse jumps so well when working at home.
milreefinley
Regardless of your opinion of his ability, it would be nice if you could at least pay Mr WALEY-Cohen enough respect to get his name right.
That aside, he was on the second best horse on the day, end of story.
Rob
milreefinley
Regardless of your opinion of his ability, it would be nice if you could at least pay Mr WALEY-Cohen enough respect to get his name right.
That aside, he was on the second best horse on the day, end of story.
Rob
oh my apologies for mis speeling his name ,if you really thik long run was beaten on merit i must been watchin a different race,regardless of his inability to get the horse to jump well,i dont think the horse is the greatest jumper.but if you watch ruby walsh(hope spelt that right?)and Mr waley-cohen turning turning into the straightyoull see the massive difference in jockeymanship.
You can’t take anything away from Kauto Star, Ruby Walsh and Paul Nicholls…it was a sensational training performance (again) and a real exhibition of a jockey and horse being so much in tune with each other and running his opposition into the ground with a great round of jumping and judgement of pace, and knowing when to make the right moves.
There is a nagging doubt over the Long Run jockey situation though, I’d just like to see a change once, just to see if there was a clear visible difference….
Swap the pilots of the front two today and there would have been a different result for sure for me…..you could say that about a lot of races where Ruby wins the day though….he’s different gravy for me!
I know the Waley-Cohen critics aren’t moaning because they’d backed Long Run, and it is intriguing to ponder if another jockey might have made a difference to the result. But is it really necessary to slag the young lad off so? He wasn’t THAT incompetent was he? Did he take the wrong course, spin around at the start and lose 30 lengths, get unseated following a gentle clip of a fence by his mount or get boxed in? (Some things many a top pro has done.Or do full time pros never ride bad races?)
Did Waley-Cohen ever state that he was a top class jockey capable of matching the best in the business?
Had another jockey ridden him and he’d finished second, would we have had posters saying things like "maybe it would have been better if his regular pilot had ridden him; someone who knows his idiosyncracies; who knows how to settle him etc." You get my drift.
It’s great that NH racing allows amateurs to compete against the professional jockeys. Waley-Cohen can’t be that incompetent can he? He did manage to win that little race at Cheltenham in March this year didn’t he?
The relative merits of horses and jockeys is an eternal area of disagreement; long may it be so. Carry on Waley-Cohen I say. If you (or your family) pay the bills, then do as you please.
A young, amateur rider, up against top class pros in a top race is a sitting-duck for the perennial critics of jockeys who get beat (one of the reasons I never frequent betting offices).Was just going to post, but Insomniac has said it all for me.
Agree with every word. (smilie for thumbs up)
Value Is EverythingWon a King G; Gold Cup; 2nd in National all in the same season … how many current riders have that on their cvs???
An extract from my post on the KG thread:
A mention for Sam Waley Cohen: the main reason he sometimes look incompetent on the horse is that LR’s errors are almost exclusively leaving its hind legs in a fence which jolts the jock as the rear-end comes up with the impact, thus unbalancing him.
I think the only way a jock change might improve this – and it’s a big might – is if the jumping problems are down to confidence. Long Run’s been extensively schooled and he runs as though he recalls this schooling until he makes his first error then everything goes to pot.
He doesn’t arch his back properly (concave) and perhaps that is simply part of his physical make-up.
There can be no doubting his engine but with the jumping problem now looking ingrained, it’s hard to understand why he retains favouritism for the Gold Cup
Here’s another angle: Sam’s won a GC and a KG on Long Run – a horse who clearly has his jumping problems – so maybe he’s exceptional?!
All said and done, though, it’s a family thing and if his father’s backing his son, then there’s nothing wrong in that, irrespctive of how much better someone else
might
do.
I wont lie though – I wouldn’t mind seeing someone else have a crack. If he were mine, I’d be looking for James Reveley’s phone number.
I wont lie though – I wouldn’t mind seeing someone else have a crack. If he were mine, I’d be looking for James Reveley’s phone number.
Give the lad a break. Not many horses can beat Kauto at the top of his game, which amazingly he still seems to be; not many riders will get one over on Ruby when he’s on a quality horse.
how can they conytinue let this statue inadequate excuse to ride this horse,watch him and watch a journey man jockey theres 20lb differences what would this be like we a proper jockey on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The horse has made multiple errors on his last 3 starts and been off the bridle 1 mile from home each time. Jockey error?
There is a great amount of pride and ego in sports betting and gambling in general. People like to blame something they see as out of their control when they back a loser. As an amateur rider and son of the owner, Sam Waley-Cohen is the easiest of easy targets.
He must be a very good rider to be one of the first amateurs called for when there is a nice spare ride over the Grand National fences. Sam Waley-Cohen rode Katarino and Liberthine (who weren’t always natural jumpers) brilliantly around Aintree many times and was also second in the National on Oscar Time this year. He has also won multiple Grade 1s with Long Run.
Given the way we have seen professional jockeys like Sam Thomas and Joe Tizzard regularly at fault in the same races where Waley-Cohen excels, I would select him over many pros.
how can they conytinue let this statue inadequate excuse to ride this horse,watch him and watch a journey man jockey theres 20lb differences what would this be like we a proper jockey on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A vanity project that worked last year because of an out of form Kauto.
Both jockey and owner have gone down in my estimation after the Fakenham farce but i’ve always had the same opinion about Wally as a jockey. Not good enough
Geraghty rides him today and that one and three quarter lengths deficit to Kauto is probably a win.
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