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as above – the owners pick the jockey. Hes won a KG & GC so is not too shabby. If you owned a horse like that and had a son that could ride like that would you let him ride him ? – sure as hell you would … lets be honest.
Im not a fan of him and agree with some of the comments – however I think the horse has less scope and jumps a lot flatter than some others – still has one hell of an engine.
I said last year this Jockey would cost this Horse greatness and i so sorry to be proved right.
What on earth is wrong with him, the horse roots everyfence yet still keeps going. Its such a shame for undoubtedly a superstar Chaser.
Then again its great to see real skill and horsemanship awarded like Ruby Walsh then someone who looks like Paddy Mullins in the saddle, wailing and arms everywhere. Oh its just awful to watch.
Just shows you, that Horsemanship is still incredible important. Of Course its not all the Jockeys fault but lets face it, he gives the horse no help what so ever. And is at least half a stone inferior than Ruby Walsh….makes all the difference.
It proves nothing!
If SWC was on board Master Minded today, people would be blaming him for the career threatening injury.
SWC rode a horse who put up a 180 performance on Timeform ratings. Got within 1 1/4 lengths of the best horse since Arkle. Not that bad a ride.
Kauto Star is one of the best jumpers of a fence you will ever see. Long Run isn’t as good at jumping a fence as Kauto Star. Does not mean the jockey is at fault. Long Run is only around half the age of Kauto Star, so there’s time for him to improve in that department.
Did people blame Ruby for Kauto’s fall in the 2006 Champion Chase, when the same age as Long Run is now?
As someone mentioned earlier. I suggest people look at SWC’s record over the Grand National fences.
Value Is EverythingLong Run has a number of problems, amateur jockey, suspect jumper, running against probably the greatest ever but by far his biggest problem is that he needs further than three miles. It took him an age to assert himself in the Gold Cup, and again today, he was just getting going as the line was approaching. The extra 2.5 furlongs in March will suit him.
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It’s pointless drawing comparisons with Kempton and the Grand National.
Over 4.5 miles, and with unique fences, horses are generally hunted round for much of the Aintree race, and have more time to negotiate individual fences, so it stands to reason that amateurs from such as the pointing field will fare better than they do around the sharp Kempton track, where jumping speed and abilty to get away quickly from the fences is paramount, and much better suited to those who ride such courses regularly.
Wouldn’t profess to kmow whether it’s horse or jockey that’s the problem, neither I would suspect, do many others, nor are we likely to find out, unless or until they are separated.Over 4.5 miles, and with unique fences,
horses are generally hunted round for much of the Aintree race
, and have more time to negotiate individual fences,
That’s 20 or 30 years out of date Reet. You should take a look at where the winners come from. It’s a race to be ridden prominently, or at least in the first half of the field these days. Not "hunted around for much of the race" at all.
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Blah dee blah dee blah dee blah!
I have nothing against SWC, but surely it is obvious that good jockey can make a huge difference. Whether good horsemanship over the fences, or strength and composure in a finish, a top-class jockey can bring the best out of a horse. Is SWC good enough to be a professional jockey?
The owner should make the big call and say, we’ve had our fun, now let’s do this magnificent horse justice.whether a jockey change would help or not, its not going to happen, so you may as well forget about it.
still, for all the ruby walsh fans, it was nice to see him tailing behind a superb mccoy drive against binocular!!
While I do not think SWC did anything much wrong in terms of his horsemanship in the race, I do think he let the race develop around him rather than asserting his and the horse’s authority on the race. His lack of jockeyship was noticeable.
Whether it would have made a difference to the result we will never know but the fact is the horse was never put into the race.And, while we’re in the land of mud slinging let’s not forget that it was Ruby who, because of remounting Kauto after a last fence fall to finish a race, almost ended Kauto’s career before it had even started [and, at the time almost lost the ride on him I believe.
It proves nothing!
If SWC was on board Master Minded today, people would be blaming him for the career threatening injury.
SWC rode a horse who put up a 180 performance on Timeform ratings. Got within 1 1/4 lengths of the best horse since Arkle. Not that bad a ride.
Kauto Star is one of the best jumpers of a fence you will ever see. Long Run isn’t as good at jumping a fence as Kauto Star. Does not mean the jockey is at fault. Long Run is only around half the age of Kauto Star, so there’s time for him to improve in that department.
Did people blame Ruby for Kauto’s fall in the 2006 Champion Chase, when the same age as Long Run is now?
As someone mentioned earlier. I suggest people look at SWC’s record over the Grand National fences.
^This 100%!^
Kauto Star is one of the best jumpers of a fence you will ever see. Long Run isn’t as good at jumping a fence as Kauto Star. Does not mean the jockey is at fault. Long Run is only around half the age of Kauto Star, so there’s time for him to improve in that department.
Kauto has had his fair share of bad errors in races down the years aswell….nowhere near as many as Long Run mind, but he is still prone to the odd bad error.
Funnily enough, I find the errors are made when pressure is applied on the horse and he’s not allowed to dictate and have it all his own way in front.
Ruby rode a fantastic race and SWC and Long Run just let Ruby and Kauto do what they want in front and his jumping was never put under any real pressure at the business end of the race. From asserting from the home turn a couple of good jumps against Long Run’s poorer jumps (because he was beginning to come under pressure to close) and all of a sudden from being sat a couple of lengths off KS you’re all of a sudden about six lengths down.
For me Long Run has without doubt the greater engine of the two but because of that split second move where KS started to pour it on he was always playing catch up, which for a dodgy jumper anyway was never going to be any good.
Easier to say now with the benefit of hindsight, but for me Sam should have been aware what was going to happen and maybe even try to make a move himself to take it up and maybe try to put the pressure on KS’s jumping a bit more.
Kauto Star is one of the best jumpers of a fence you will ever see. Long Run isn’t as good at jumping a fence as Kauto Star. Does not mean the jockey is at fault. Long Run is only around half the age of Kauto Star, so there’s time for him to improve in that department.
Kauto has had his fair share of bad errors in races down the years aswell….nowhere near as many as Long Run mind, but he is still prone to the odd bad error.
Long Run has never fallen in only 8 starts over fences.
Kauto Star fell twice in his first 8 starts.Funnily enough, I find the errors are made when pressure is applied on the horse and he’s not allowed to dictate and have it all his own way in front.
Long Run is a stayer, he’s always going to have "pressure applied" to get to a fit Kauto Star. If you look at the Gold Cup, Long Run was going worse than both Kauto Star and Denman going down the hill. Untill staying on to win. However, he can also take a tug in the early stages and SWC needs to settle him by being behind horses. Therefore Long Run can’t be "allowed to dictate and have his own way in front". It may well be that Long Run can only be allowed to hit the front when going for home in earnest.
Ruby rode a fantastic race and SWC and Long Run just let Ruby and Kauto do what they want in front and his jumping was never put under any real pressure at the business end of the race. From asserting from the home turn a couple of good jumps against Long Run’s poorer jumps (because he was beginning to come under pressure to close) and all of a sudden from being sat a couple of lengths off KS you’re all of a sudden about six lengths down.
Ruby did ride a fantastic race, to outpace Long Run in the back straight and around the turn. Henderson horse is not capable of the speed Nicholls Star showed at that point, even if his jockey wanted him to take closer order. So it is not Sam’s fault. Long Run came under the same sort of pressure in the Gold Cup. Yesterday, under less of a stamina test, he could not bridge the gap.
For me Long Run has without doubt the greater engine of the two but because of that split second move where KS started to pour it on he was always playing catch up, which for a dodgy jumper anyway was never going to be any good.
Long run has the greater stamina, whether that is equal to "engine" is up to the mechanic.
Easier to say now with the benefit of hindsight, but for me Sam should have been aware what was going to happen and maybe even try to make a move himself to take it up and maybe try to put the pressure on KS’s jumping a bit more.
Long Run is not capable of going any faster in the back staight / turn for home against a 3m chaser with the speed of Kauto Star.
Value Is EverythingIt proves nothing!
If SWC was on board Master Minded today, people would be blaming him for the career threatening injury.
SWC rode a horse who put up a 180 performance on Timeform ratings. Got within 1 1/4 lengths of the best horse since Arkle. Not that bad a ride.
Kauto Star is one of the best jumpers of a fence you will ever see. Long Run isn’t as good at jumping a fence as Kauto Star. Does not mean the jockey is at fault. Long Run is only around half the age of Kauto Star, so there’s time for him to improve in that department.
Did people blame Ruby for Kauto’s fall in the 2006 Champion Chase, when the same age as Long Run is now?
As someone mentioned earlier. I suggest people look at SWC’s record over the Grand National fences.
Is SWC better than Ruby ? No
Is Geraghty better than Ruby ? Quite often.If you had the choice, who would you choose to ride your potential superstar – SWC or BG ?
Also, the farce at Fakenham, the lies to the stewards instead of apologising to those who backed the horse and knew better. Not what we need in racing
If you had the choice, who would you choose to ride your potential superstar – SWC or BG ?
We don’t have the choice because we don’t pay the bills.
Given the carping by some about the ability of Sam Waley-Cohen then one would imagine his perceived lack of ability would be reflected in the price. If not then surely it was time to take advantage? Before the event, of course…
Incidentally, the original poster inferred that a ‘better jockey’ could be worth 20lbs on Long Run. Given a pound per length would Long Run have beaten Kauto Star by 18 lengths? On balance, I’d bet against it.
Rob
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