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This horse is currently being absolutely pounded in the derby market ahead of running, in a maiden today. Its really strange as the way hes getting backed suggests he’ll win by about 20 lengths, Bookies are struggling to hold on to the best price of 11s on him.
This is one of the strangest betting patterns Ive seen, I had previously thought washington irving was just another bogus winter gamble like Greek Well, Macarthur etc. but now Im beginning to wonder
Surely a maiden win at leopardstown at this stage of the season isnt going to make a total change to the complection of the derby market.
Surely????
If he wins today and goes for the Derrinstown or Ballysax he would probably be 2nd Fav.
BTW, although he is a maiden the race isn’t.
Good Point Alderbrook, looked at the race the other day, knew it wasn’t a black type race.
That didnt sound too convincing, had a little go on the winner, Weld is on a treble today.
It seems astonishing that people were still backing it at 8 and 9/1 on Betfair just before the off (for the Derby!).
Anyway, for those interested, you can watch the race on At the Races’ website for free.
As that raced looked no more than a trial for a trial, I wouldn’t be ripping up tickets yet for the Derby and it was a step up on his only run as a juvenile. If I’d taken the odds on today though, I’d be a little miffed with Murtagh’s ride.
Just watched the replay and he does look a nice enough sort, and the ride wasn’t great but can’t help but feel a derby winner would have won that easily.
Really liked the look of Dermot Welds FAMOUS NAME, he looks a really nice horse, would think he would be the type to go well in the french derby. Weld rates him very highly but is talking about the Poulains and the Italian with him. He’ll be one for my Ten To Follow I think.
I don’t think you can really take much from any of these trials they often throw up funny results and you have to wonder how far forward most of the horses are. The one thing it does indicate is that Dermot Weld’s horses are probably slightly further forward than Aidan O’Brien’s.
Famous Name looked impressive enough but he beat effectively two rivals who on form he was entitled to beat. It wasn’t the fastest run or most competitive of races and his stable is in form. In terms of any guineas I wouldn’t be in a rush to snap up prices.
Today we see Washington Irving beaten by a nose by Unwritten Rule in a 10f (Stakes?) race. Unwritten rule was carrying 9st 4 and Washington Irving 9st 0.
Both horses came in 4 and a 1/4 lengths ahead of Hindu Kush.
At the back end of last year Alessandro Volta won a listed race with Hindu Kush 5 lengths behind him.This evening Washington Irving is 14/1 for the Epsom Derby, Alessandro Volta is 33/1, 37 on betfair. Breeding wise I would say that both will get 12f, and if anything Volta might on Breeding be better suited to the Epsom Derby.
Also Zulu Chief, unraced and entered in a maiden on Thursday, is 31’s on Betfair.
Can one of you experts explain the logic of these prices to me, I am somewhat confused, maybe due to the wine intake, or the elation at actually winning with a double on Famous Name and Unwritten Rule.At the back end of last year Alessandro Volta won a listed race with Hindu Kush 5 lengths behind him.
This evening Washington Irving is 14/1 for the Epsom Derby, Alessandro Volta is 33/1, 37 on betfair. Breeding wise I would say that both will get 12f, and if anything Volta might on Breeding be better suited to the Epsom Derby.
Also Zulu Chief, unraced and entered in a maiden on Thursday, is 31’s on Betfair.
Can one of you experts explain the logic of these prices to me, I am somewhat confused, maybe due to the wine intake, or the elation at actually winning with a double on Famous Name and Unwritten Rule.What a different game the Flat is – all that talk about Master Minded and co being over-hyped and here we are talking about a once-raced maiden in terms of winning the Derby.
Anyway, Alessandro Volta from a distance looked impressive to me last season. I haven’t delved into the pedigree but he struck me as a potential Group winner over 10 furlongs. Anyone know anything about plans?
I would imagine if Washington goes for the Derby it will be as the Ballydoyle 5th or 6th string.
In my opinion the bookmakers ante post moves aren’t worth the paper they are written on-its impossible to seperate the fact from fiction.He looks a smart prospect all the same ……. todays race was a new race and it will be interesting to see how O’Brien uses it in years to come. If he had been able to challenge on the winners outside he probably would have won as the ground definitely seemed slower nearer the rail.
Really impressed by how Washington Irving switched on and obviously peaked before the post, but his endeavour was very evident and at this early stage the current quote for the Derby is slightly justified.
Having never really been a great fan of this one for the derby, o’briens early season runners have been showing some serious improvement and he appears to be the number one for the derrinstown, and although moiqen may look a better bet, o’brien has a tendency to almost always win this race and it does look weak this year. A spectating race at the pries I think.
The one Im really interested in today at Leopardstown is the Oxx filly Katiyra, just how good is she.
Probably only a personal obsevation, but John Oxx’s Aga Khan team seem a little more "second-string" compared to what he and Princess Zahra provide to the French yards.
You cant really say that Myles, Oxx gets a fair old share of the agha kahns horses same as royer dupre, as he’s the agha kahns Number 1 trainer in ireland. They arent sent there because their second strings. Oxx will get the odd good one, Sinndar, Alamshar and Azamour being good recent examples. And Royer Dupre gets his fair share.
Oxx is very excited about Katiyra, shes had plenty of Oaks money and theres no real reason to suspect shes any sort of Agha Kahn second string, shes a potential top class horse in her own right.
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