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    Avatar photoKevMc
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    Cosmic Law 10/1

    Bit of a letdown at RA but prior to that he bolted up at Epsom and ran a good figure on his run prior to that. Slower ground than RA should suit as well as the step up in trip and inside draw and i think he’s value at 10s.

    #1361544
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    Cosmic Law’s chance depends a lot on how much rain they get. Currently Good. If that assessment is accurate then if no rain it could ride good-firm which is very much against his chance. Little bit of rain probably keeps it at good – which is ok-ish. Although not sure about this trip – by a sprinter out of a sprinter – if getting enough rain to turn it to good-soft then 10/1 or even 8/1 if prices change imo be worth taking a chance on stamina, Kev. By far his best performance coming on soft.

    However, in a race that appears to lack the usual quality, Dark Vision is imo the outstanding value. Although by Dream Ahead the dam stayed a lot further. Impressive in winning at York in a fast time on only his second start and should improve.

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    #1361549
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    The word seems to be that Confiding put up a terribly decent performance on debut and should be up to this standard already. There isn’t much to go on other than what those defeated have gone on to achieve but he’s 9/2 with Corals and given natural improvement looks the worthy favourite and looks the punt in the race at the odds.

    Confiding 9/2 (Corals)

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    Van Beethoven:- Exposed and carries a penalty

    Blonde Warrior:- Form looks weak and not been working out

    Burj:- Wins don’t amount to anything

    Cosmic Law:- Not sure if he’s a 7F horse

    Dark Vision:- The ever unreliable Mark Johnston is the worry for me

    Drogon:- Two Haydock wins haven’t been working out and others may have more toe

    Dunkerron:- Two wins don’t amount to much and the winners from the July Stakes won egg and spoon races

    Federal Law:- Could improved but Salisbury/Glorious Goodwood looks an odd combination

    Getchagetchagetcha:- Ran a duck egg in the Coventry and I’d be disappointed if he wins this

    Junius Brutus:- Joined the Beckett yard from France but I am not sure 2F extra is what he needs and he’s quite small

    Mordred:- Looks well out of his depth and Hannon could ruin his mark for nurseries if he runs above expectations. Looks a poor choice of target for a maiden runner.

    That all leaves Confiding and I thought he did really well to win on his debut. He had enough to do coming into the closing stages but quickened up nicely to join the leaders and then assert despite being a shade green. Seven horses who ran in the race have won a race since.

    The biggest factor for me is that the trainer has said the following regarding how Confiding compares to July Stakes winner Advertise:-

    “I would say they’re a bit on a par after their first runs,” he explained. “They both won impressively at Newbury first time out. This horse will probably be ready to step up to a mile before too long, but we’ll see how he goes over seven furlongs on Tuesday

    Here is Confiding winning his race and for me he’ll swoop to claim the lot of them in the Vintage:-

    http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/3/81248/

    At 9/2 I’m Confident :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1361571
    Avatar photoMiddle_Of_March
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    I’m well involved in Confiding here. He’s in my top 5 bets for the entire week.

    I’d have both him and Dark Vision shorter than they are but the word for Confiding has been very very good from what I’ve heard over the last few weeks. I’ve been waiting for his second run and I genuinely think he could be a top class horse in the making. 9/2 is a nice price for a horse who beat a decent field with half a dozen winners in behind on his debut.

    Confiding @ 9/2

    #1361597
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    Cosmic Law’s chance depends a lot on how much rain they get. Currently Good. If that assessment is accurate then if no rain it could ride good-firm which is very much against his chance. Little bit of rain probably keeps it at good – which is ok-ish. Although not sure about this trip – by a sprinter out of a sprinter – if getting enough rain to turn it to good-soft then 10/1 or even 8/1 if prices change imo be worth taking a chance on stamina, Kev. By far his best performance coming on soft.

    However, in a race that appears to lack the usual quality, Dark Vision is imo the outstanding value. Although by Dream Ahead the dam stayed a lot further. Impressive in winning at York in a fast time on only his second start and should improve.

    Along with Dark Vision 6/1, with more rain than expected overnight have now also backed Cosmic Law 12/1 with a 15/2 saver on Drogon.

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    #1361607
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    I’ve taken a go on Dunkerron in this. He will improve as goes on i believe, and probably be a better 3yo. The trip will be better for him, it’s a pity he’s be HT’d but sure (in terms of price)

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    #1361624
    Mike007
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    I’m in the Dark Vision camp. Hopefully can be in the 3 at least.

    #1361628
    Avatar photoBigG
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    No doubting that Dark Vision is one that fits the “could be anything” tag, he won well
    at York. Both his wins on GF, if he takes to it with a bit of cut he will be hard to
    beat. I’m taking a chance on Van Beethoven at 10/1. Obvious danger
    is that there is a question mark hanging over the O’Brien camp at present, and he has
    got go shoulder a further 3lbs for his Gp2 win at the Curragh last month. He’s pretty
    exposed, he is what he is. His last 4 runs have been on G/F, but his only other win at
    Naas in May was on Good to Yielding. Whilst it was a race he should have won he looked
    well on it and won convincingly. Perhaps the give in the ground might see him at his best
    here. A few ifs and buts, but he’s decent and worth a chance at those odds.

    #1361638
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    Confiding very weak in the market. Dark Vision travelled through his last race like a good horse, he’ll do for me.

    #1361642
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I think Van Beethoven has been crying out for this trip, he’s my pick

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    #1361643
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    They can’t give Confiding away here.

    I’ll follow the lemmings over the cliff at the bigger odds. He’ll need to sit closer to the pace this time.

    I’d be with Dark Vision if he were trained by anyone other than Mark Johnston. I just can’t shake the worry of how many of his 2YO horses throw in a stinker somewhere along the line.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1361644
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    Impressive performance from Dark Vision, he had to do it the hard way and
    still won easily in the end. Well done to all backers :good:

    Van Beethoven had no chance, I’m not blaming Moore, he just had nowhere to
    go. If you get caught on the rails at Goodwood, and they all edge over that
    way at the end, you’ve nowhere to go :unsure:

    #1361645
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    Very nice performance from the back so well done Dark Vision backers. Confiding was always struggling to keep with them but stayed on for pressure and ran better than the betting suggested he would.

    One or two of them seemed well short in the betting, Junius Brutus for one, than their form warranted. I thought Blonde Warrior’s form was awful.

    Dark Vision would seem to appreciate a mile, given the way he ran today and I would send him to the Royal Lodge if he were mine. Could be a bargain buy, but hey, Mark Johnston has time to rax him yet :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1361646
    Avatar photojackh1092
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    Dark Vision mighty impressive and a mighty good buy by MJ. Looks so big and ungainly who knows what he could be. Likelihood is that we’ll find out pretty quickly given trainer.

    Old Dunkerron ran a fine race after drifting a little in the market after being tipped up by probably the best in the business!

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    #1361648
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Dunkerron ran a fine race after drifting a little in the market after being tipped up by probably the best in the business!

    I thought Ginger backed everything bar him…… :rose:

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    #1361649
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    :yahoo:

    Dark Vision interfered with early, losing significant ground. In last rounding the turn and not going particularly well, switched to the outer and stormed home. They did go quick so being towards the back was undoubtedly a help, but considering the problems he had still a good performance. Good looking horse who should keep improving for a while yet.

    Cosmic Law did best of those up with the pace – ignore his run and those making the running. Dunkerron best of those racing in mid-div, but lacks physical scope. Considering Confiding’s inexperience he should do better too.

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