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  • #473224
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    The nearest parallel with racing is athletics, and I feel the same way about Denise Lewis (does she employ a hairdresser or a landscape gardener?) and Colin Jackson as many do about Emma and the Cat.

    I can only assume that the consummately professional Michael Johnson must believe he’s stumbled into amateur hour every time he crosses the pond.

    This climaxed with his wide-eyed disbelief at the truly incomparable performance by Gadget Show blow-in Ortis Deley at the 2011 World Athletics Championships (note: this would be what a TRF presentation team would look like):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXhqmLvG4w

    And this would be our sign-off:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj9y9ApEkG0

    Mike

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    Fronting programs on TV has little to do with knowledge and everything to do with presenting skills.

    What about people like Tanya and Rishi, who clearly possess neither?

    #473231
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    What about people like Tanya and Rishi, who clearly possess neither?

    Have to disagree about Rishi. Presenting skills are high but he is wrong for racing. With racing commentators you need something a bit different, Tommo, Francome etc. Clare Balding is a good presenter, but again like Rishi just doesn’t have the chemistry for this programme. The pairing didn’t work well on the BBC and has carried on in the same vein on C4.
    With Tanya, did work okay when she played number 2 to McCririck as he was the main man with a bit of character.
    The programme just isn’t interesting anymore and C4 seem to think having good clinical presenters delivering a load of facts is the main component of the programme.
    How they are wrong, and viewing figures tell their own story.

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    Fronting programs on TV has little to do with knowledge and everything to do with presenting skills.

    What about people like Tanya and Rishi, who clearly possess neither?

    Don’t know about you Gladiateur, but we gentlemen of enforced leisure when idly channel-hopping a brave new year’s afternoon in search of sporting entertainment do settle upon and enjoy the post-BDO, pre-6 nations hiatus provided by the World Bowls compy at some Potter’s leisure resort in East Anglia. This thrill is only amplified by the doe-eyed Rishi’s glazed-eyed professional enthusiasm when asked to look some unappealing, overweight jock in his glazed eye and ask ‘how does it feel’

    Truly, the thinking man’s Thommo, the lusting lady’s lay and the uncertain gentleman’s quandary :?

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    He’s better than he used to be . He’s settled into the role. He comes across as friendly, jovial and presents pretty professionally and confidently which is no easy job. I think it’s easy to underestimate how difficult that is, whether you know bugger all about the sport or not.

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    He’s better than he used to be . He’s settled into the role. He comes across as friendly, jovial and presents pretty professionally and confidently which is no easy job. I think it’s easy to underestimate how difficult that is, whether you know bugger all about the sport or not.

    ^ This

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    ^ This

    LOL!

    OMG!!

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    (etc, etc)

    Mike

    #473261
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    T
    T
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    :wink:

    #473268
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    ^ This

    LOL!

    OMG!!

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    (etc, etc)

    Mike

    Alright then clever dick, explain why he’s a bad

    presenter

    . :wink: I’m not saying he’s a great racing pundit, but he presents to camera well.

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    ^ This

    LOL!

    OMG!!

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    (etc, etc)

    Mike

    Alright then clever dick, explain why he’s a bad

    presenter

    . :wink: I’m not saying he’s a great racing pundit, but he presents to camera well.

    Erm, the post had nothing to do with Rishi. I was lightheartedly poking fun at Joe for using internet ‘yoof-speak’ (‘This!’) as his photo hints that he may be..well, certainly in his early 30’s shall we say? I therefore parodied this with the usual internet acronym nonsense.

    I would agree entirely with your post about Rishi.

    I guess the gags don’t work when you have to explain them…

    Mike

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    He’s better than he used to be . He’s settled into the role. He comes across as friendly, jovial and presents pretty professionally and confidently which is no easy job. I think it’s easy to underestimate how difficult that is, whether you know bugger all about the sport or not.

    That!

    Mike

    #473271
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    Beg pardon :oops:

    #473293
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    He’s better than he used to be . He’s settled into the role. He comes across as friendly, jovial and presents pretty professionally and confidently which is no easy job. I think it’s easy to underestimate how difficult that is, whether you know bugger all about the sport or not.

    That!

    Mike

    I couldnt lay the ills of Channel 4 on Rishis plate. I agree that he has improved somewhat though he is still lightweight.

    The programs racing style is neither fish nor fowl at the moment, as someone has said neither light entertainment nor seriously in-dept.

    But if we want to make the casual sports observer stay on the racing channel, you have to offer them certain things very quickly. Excitement or the human/horse interest story. The latter cant be done by switching to horses at the start of the race where in fact portrays they are portrayed as walking bingo balls.

    SHL

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    Beg pardon :oops:

    My fault. I often believe I’m Stewart Lee when I’m basically Jimmy Krankie.

    I do agree though that Rishi has improved markedly over the last couple of years. And to go back to the gist of something I said earlier, he is now really fluent which is so important in broadcasting.

    Mike

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    But Mapletoft has built an entire career on Um and Err!

    I believe this is known as The Scudamore Paradox.

    Mike

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    Good Points: Simon Holt’s Commentaries.

    Bad Points: Everything else.

    The viewing figures may be worse than they appear. I am probably not alone in recording the programme, but then fast forwarding to watch only the races once finished.

    This saves a lot of time and pain. :wink:

    ....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.

    #473365
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    I disagree, which just goes to show you can’t please everyone. I enjoy the race itself, obviously, but I also like the back stories. I like to see the yard the horses have come from, the jubilant owners resplendant in matching scarves, the tears of joy. That’s what makes racing for me. Brings it to life. What kills it stone dead is the glass walled prison cell where Graham Cunningham et al are encarcerated, and the accompanying toneless, joyless reviews and analysis.

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