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yes it could have happened anywhere, but the stupid old fool of a owner has made a right mockery of racing….this horse has had a similar injury before and was lucky to be racing again….yes its got some form, but that was years ago…..it was getting beat in poor points a few weeks ago…..He should have listened to the trainer, who told him many times not to run…….then we would not be having this discussion….<br>
That I have to agree with dj. Glassonbury rode a very sympathetic race on him. More power to him, a sensible jockey. Some would have jumped him round for a shot at some place money.
going by what you was saying…..he would have struggled anyway…he has a terrible wind problem and with the ground has it was at Newbury I was suprised he was there, cause he liked gd/gd-frm….so he was never going to be at the pace anyway…..he was getting beat in very bad point to points a few weeks back…I saw him run…<br>And his current form…his last placing was about 3 yrs ago……and look at the races he won…….he beat nothing special…so why he ran in the graded races who knows…..
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/raci … _id=525361 his form
All we need now is for the HRA to conduct their investigation, find Carter innocent on all counts (which they inevitably will, god forbid they should take any action) and then do Glassonbury under the non-triers rule…
Thanks for the link racinggirluk.
What that basically tells me is, that he ran with his customary enthusiasm in two hurdle races at Stratford before being pulled up in the best interests of the horse, when his chance had gone.
Perhaps his last placing was three years ago, if you look around, you’ll find he’s not the only one.
Was he was racing for his owners pleasure? <br>Yes, look around, you’ll find an awful lot do.
Was he being treated cruelly? <br>No.
Was he entered in a grade of race that was above his ability? <br>Yes, happens all the time.
Did the grade of race cause his injury? <br>No.
Could this injury have happened elsewhere? <br>Yes, anywhere, even grazing in a field……retired.
Do horses that have had similar pelvic injuries race? <br>Yes, all the time.
Did connections break any rules of racing? <br>No, or certainly none that matter on this occasion.
Were the betting public mislead or ‘put away’ in any way, shape, or form? <br>No. If they were, perhaps they should take up knitting after all.
<br>Apart from the sentimentalist clap-trap and unfortunate outcome, what is the problem????
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(Edited by griff11 at 3:53 am on Feb. 13, 2007)
A spirited defence of a clearly annoyed Carty on the RP website.
I have to say, I dont see how we can blame Carty for a horse breaking his pelvis. I cant see how he would have been more predisposed to it then any other horse that ran that day.
SHL
Quote: from griff11 on 9:50 pm on Feb. 12, 2007[br]Stormont, get down from your sentimental high horse before you fall off..
Racing the horse in the Game Spirit Chase on Saturday didn’t cause his death any more than if he had raced over 2 miles at Leicester, Hereford or in a Seller at Ludlow.
There’s no question he shouldn’t have been in the race in question, but that can be said for many others that race on a weekly basis. IT DIDN’T CAUSE HIS DEATH.
Like you I do not know the horse outside of watching him race, so have no idea whether he should have been retired. Perhaps you are advocating that all horses once they reach 12 years old should be compulsary retired. Would you be suggesting a lower age on the flat?
Along with most people on here, I really dislike it when any horse gets injured or worse still dies, but it’s the nature of the beast I’m afraid. If changes can be implemented to reduce that risk, then I welcome it, but in this instance, racing uncompetitively in a Grade 2 race didn’t bring about his demise anymore than a days hunting or in a lower class race would of.
"This horse was trying as hard as he could the other day and just couldnt go the gallop, he died after something he wasn’t able to do."
So, you’re basically saying that if he had raced in a lower grade race;
a) He wouldn’t be trying so hard.
b) That he would have been able to keep up and therefore wouldn’t have sucumbed to the accident as a result?
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When are you actually going to understand what i am saying?
The shouldn’t have been running AT ALL anywhere. His form in point to point’s is dreadful, any other person in their right mind would have been retired him when he first showed that he couldnt even perform in points.
That fact that he ran in the Game Spirit just makes it look even worse. I would have been saying the same thing on here had he been put down after running in a lowly race somewhere else. He has shown he is no longer capable of racing (at any level)
I’m getting fed up with Jilly’s comments on here, we do not need stupid, ‘sarky’ comments like that on a very serious thread. You either don’t comment on something you clearly don’t understand (that might be the whole forum) or you find somehwere else to downgrade people
Quote: from griff11 on 3:52 am on Feb. 13, 2007[br]Thanks for the link racinggirluk.
What that basically tells me is, that he ran with his customary enthusiasm in two hurdle races at Stratford before being pulled up in the best interests of the horse, when his chance had gone.
Perhaps his last placing was three years ago, if you look around, you’ll find he’s not the only one.
Was he was racing for his owners pleasure? <br>Yes, look around, you’ll find an awful lot do.
Was he being treated cruelly? <br>No.
Was he entered in a grade of race that was above his ability? <br>Yes, happens all the time.
Did the grade of race cause his injury? <br>No.
Could this injury have happened elsewhere? <br>Yes, anywhere, even grazing in a field……retired.
Do horses that have had similar pelvic injuries race? <br>Yes, all the time.
Did connections break any rules of racing? <br>No, or certainly none that matter on this occasion.
Were the betting public mislead or ‘put away’ in any way, shape, or form? <br>No. If they were, perhaps they should take up knitting after all.
<br>Apart from the sentimentalist clap-trap and unfortunate outcome, what is the problem????
<br>(Edited by griff11 at 3:53 am on Feb. 13, 2007)<br>
So, making a horse run (at whatever level) when he is far from capable these days………. and with trainers concerns is NOT cruel??? I really don’t understand how your mind works.
If you were forced to do something that you were not capable of after all of his pointing mishaps, i’m sure you would feel like you were being treated cruelly!
It is sentimental, and if you do not care about these horses then maybe you are better of following another sport. Horses are living animals, not just something you can have a few quid on now and again. They deserve rights, just like me and you.
You are right, the injury COULD have happened in a field after being retired but MUCH. MUCH less likely than being in a race, considering the horse already has had pelvic problems before.
Quote: from Stormont on 11:51 am on Feb. 13, 2007[br]
Quote: from griff11 on 9:50 pm on Feb. 12, 2007[br]Stormont, get down from your sentimental high horse before you fall off..
Racing the horse in the Game Spirit Chase on Saturday didn’t cause his death any more than if he had raced over 2 miles at Leicester, Hereford or in a Seller at Ludlow.
There’s no question he shouldn’t have been in the race in question, but that can be said for many others that race on a weekly basis. IT DIDN’T CAUSE HIS DEATH.
Like you I do not know the horse outside of watching him race, so have no idea whether he should have been retired. Perhaps you are advocating that all horses once they reach 12 years old should be compulsary retired. Would you be suggesting a lower age on the flat?
Along with most people on here, I really dislike it when any horse gets injured or worse still dies, but it’s the nature of the beast I’m afraid. If changes can be implemented to reduce that risk, then I welcome it, but in this instance, racing uncompetitively in a Grade 2 race didn’t bring about his demise anymore than a days hunting or in a lower class race would of.
"This horse was trying as hard as he could the other day and just couldnt go the gallop, he died after something he wasn’t able to do."
So, you’re basically saying that if he had raced in a lower grade race;
a) He wouldn’t be trying so hard.
b) That he would have been able to keep up and therefore wouldn’t have sucumbed to the accident as a result?
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When are you actually going to understand what i am saying?
The shouldn’t have been running AT ALL anywhere. His form in point to point’s is dreadful, any other person in their right mind would have been retired him when he first showed that he couldnt even perform in points.
That fact that he ran in the Game Spirit just makes it look even worse. I would have been saying the same thing on here had he been put down after running in a lowly race somewhere else. He has shown he is no longer capable of racing (at any level)
I’m getting fed up with Jilly’s comments on here, we do not need stupid, ‘sarky’ comments like that on a very serious thread. You either don’t comment on something you clearly don’t understand (that might be the whole forum) or you find somehwere else to downgrade people<br>
<br>Stormant, at the end of the day. DId Venn Ottery have a greater chance of sustaining a pelvic injury the other day then any other horse in that race or any race for that matter? If so…why?
SHL
Stormont, i would imagine from your posts on the forum that you’re very young,19?,so that somewhat negates your ignorance.Even so,you should open your mind to other points of view.Look and learn,young man,look and learn.
Jilly who the hell do you think you are. You are incapable of having an arguement that has some substance to it. Why do you feel you can insult people. <br>If anyone is ignorant it is you. Why do you have this huge chip on your shoulder?<br>
dave22,your post is typical of people who can only see one side of the coin.Read through the thread again.
i can see many sides, but like most i have one opinion!<br>this forum is about everyone putting across there opinion and others reading them and putting there own across. NOT RUBBISHING THE OPINION OF OTHERS AND BEING RUDE
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