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This thread reminds me of a scene from Blazing Saddles.
Crowd Scene.
"Harumph Harumph Harumph Harumph"
"Hey, I didnt get a Harumph outta that guy" !
"You give the governor a Harumph" !
"Harumph" ! (meekly)
Will those claiming the moral high ground in this thread (the harumphers) please cool their jets ! Okay, so the horse shouldnt have run in the race and it looks bad but as has been pointed out his fatal injury has nothing to do with the fact it was the Game Spirit and not a point or a seller, merely an unfortunate coincidence that injury should strike at that time. For racing’s PR it would be better to keep blatantly out of their depth horses out of big races but let’s cut the drama and moralising and accept that is not the reason VO is no longer with us.
Quite right Grassy, apologies for that comedic oversight. I’ll try harder when it comes to re-enacting the campfire scene :o
Quote: from jilly on 2:35 pm on Feb. 13, 2007[br]Stormont, i would imagine from your posts on the forum that you’re very young,19?,so that somewhat negates your ignorance.Even so,you should open your mind to other points of view.Look and learn,young man,look and learn.<br>
19….. why thanks for the compliment!!!
But the way i see it, it is not only me that think your posts are: ignorant, pathetic, downgrading and sometimes hurtful.
I think you are the one that needs to grow up, my dear!
Look at the thread again and the amount of people that seemingly do not like you one bit because of the complete rubbish you post.
Well said Dave 22 and Stormont.I dont believe Jilly is a female as women would have more compassion to this poor horse and a heart.No need for rude comments here.
Quote: from Grasshopper on 5:33 pm on Feb. 13, 2007[br]Stormont, you miss the point with jilly.
She doesn’t suffer fools (or indeed anyone) gladly (or indeed, at all).
She likes gamble though, but then again, who doesnt – apart from maybe Golden Cygnet.
:cool: <br>
… or Pewter HaHaHa
ninahagen4, ffs-it’s hard not to appear rude when confronted with people like you.
I love horses,that much should have been obvious from my first post on this thread.What i and others are saying is that there was no malice in the actions of Mr. Carter-why would there be?-Accidents do,sadly,happen.
While I agree the horse should have been retired, VO’s death was just unfortunate. I dont break out in a rash and be put on an emergency ventilator machine after a panic attack, when I hear the news of the death of a racehorse, unlike some posters on this thread.<br>Racehorses are probably better treated than most family pets, and a lot better treated than millions of human beings around the world living in shanty town slums begging for money dressed in rags, with no shoes I could go on and on.
A lot of threads on this topic suggested that VO was’nt enjoying racing anymore, "spare me" who said racehorses enjoy racing. I wouldnt say they fancy a three mile slog around towcester and get 6 or 7 smacks on the backside for good measure if he/she’s in with the remotest chance of winning. Racehorses are broken in as yearlings to curb their natural wild instincts to become submissive to us humans, they race because we conditioned them too. Believe me they dont bloody well enjoy it.<br>If some of you posters are so sympathetic towards animals, why not campaign to stop real cruelty to animals which is endemic in darkest Asia, like when live cats are dipped into vats of boiling water to burn the fur off them, to say it made me cringe is an understatement.<br>My post might have been a little off the rails, but some people need a reality check
To some extent I agree with you. The fact that VO was running in a race way out of his depth when he died was a co-incidence, as it could easily have happened in any race. <br>It just seems to go against all the normal instincts of horse-ownership when someone keeps turning the horse out time after time when he’s long shown he’s got no heart for it, has little obvious ability left, and should have been retired. If he’d been retired, he wouldn’t have died so early.
I do think some horses enjoy their racing. Yes OK they’re made to do it in the first place, but look how keen some of them are in running.
And I don’t think we’re being oversentimental. It’s sad when a horse dies but we’re not all sobbing or gnashing our teeth. No-one’s having a panic attack, we’re just sad because it could have been avoided.
Quote: from madman marz on 8:39 pm on Feb. 15, 2007[br]While I agree the horse should have been retired, VO’s death was just unfortunate. I dont break out in a rash and be put on an emergency ventilator machine after a panic attack, when I hear the news of the death of a racehorse, unlike some posters on this thread.<br>Racehorses are probably better treated than most family pets, and a lot better treated than millions of human beings around the world living in shanty town slums begging for money dressed in rags, with no shoes I could go on and on.
A lot of threads on this topic suggested that VO was’nt enjoying racing anymore, "spare me" who said racehorses enjoy racing. I wouldnt say they fancy a three mile slog around towcester and get 6 or 7 smacks on the backside for good measure if he/she’s in with the remotest chance of winning. Racehorses are broken in as yearlings to curb their natural wild instincts to become submissive to us humans, they race because we conditioned them too. Believe me they dont bloody well enjoy it.<br>If some of you posters are so sympathetic towards animals, why not campaign to stop real cruelty to animals which is endemic in darkest Asia, like when live cats are dipped into vats of boiling water to burn the fur off them, to say it made me cringe is an understatement.<br>My post might have been a little off the rails, but some people need a reality check <br>[/quote
People like me? I would rather be compassionate where the welfare of racehorses are concerned than have no heart.I may not agree with what some people post on here but I dont attack their point of view.<br> It isnt the fact that Venn Ottery died,it happens,it’s that it could have been avided.
We could indeed be on ‘The Wall Of Death’ all day.
ninahagen4, Mr. Carter had every right to run his horse-as did the owner of,say,Persian Punch a couple of years ago-No outcry there,just things like,"He died doing what he loved"
Horses will ,sadly,always die in races.
But Persian Punch wasn’t running against horses leagues above him, was he?
Despite what the odd comment may insinuate on this thread, the argument isn’t whether Venn Ottery’s presence in such a high class race contributed directly to the injury which ultimately ended his life. The argument is how fit Oliver Carter is to make decisions regarding the training and running (and hence welfare) of his horses.
And his post race comment of ‘I’ve seen 200-1 shots win races’ says it all.
(Edited by LetsGetRacing at 1:38 am on Feb. 18, 2007)
Burroughhill,
"It just seems to go against all the normal instincts of horse-ownership when someone keeps turning the horse out time after time when he’s long shown he’s got no heart for it, has little obvious ability left, and should have been retired. If he’d been retired, he wouldn’t have died so early."
How do you know that??
The horse may not have been able to be competitive in a race such as that, but how do you know he wasn’t enjoying his day out?
Perhaps he wouldn’t have died that particular day, but he could just have easily died in the paddock sometime during the week, or out hunting at the weekend. Who knows?
<br>ninahagen4
"I would rather be compassionate where the welfare of racehorses are concerned  than  have no heart."
Are you saying that anybody not agreeing with your views, have no consideration for the horses or their welfare?
"It isnt the fact that Venn Ottery died, it happens, it’s that it could have been avoided."
See above.
There’s a lot of Mystic Megs on this forum all of a sudden, where did they come from?
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LGR. Thank you.
Griff.Not at all.I dont like being told "People like you" Jilly knows absolutely nothing about me andf the fact is that person was rude in their comments.
Griff, it’s possible VO was enjoying his race, we can’t tell 100% that he wasn’t but did it look like it? In several of his previous races he pulled up too, so he would clearly have been struggling or suffering from some problem which was making it difficult for him to run. I doubt he was enjoying that. <br>To some extent the issue isn’t that he died, it’s that Carter kept running him in races that were WAY beyond him. It may not have been cruel, just stupid in that no-one is going to benefit. A normal racing lover and/or owner would find that pretty crazy.
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