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Great update Graysons, as Steeplechasing says, appears to have a strategy built around not falling off. It seems that getting to Cheltenham is very much a given, just what happens when the flag falls will be the great unknown. She could line up at the back and just hack round, that would be very achievable, unless the horse is hotter than she can hold and she gets taken into the middle of the race, where so far it looks like she has no experience. She’s doing very well, I have spoken to a friend who actually saw her ride and their opinion was that she was very good, but appeared weak in her seat and they felt Cheltenham would find this out. Look forward to your next update.
Hopefully the weather won’t scupper the race this weekend , interested to see how she gets on as time is ticking by now
Milborne St Andrew is the only Point meeting this weekend which hasn’t been called off yet, so fingers crossed for it and for Ms P.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Great effort by VP today coming second, no surprise that its Nicholls takeover now, quote from RP Facebook ” Nicholls was on hand to watch Pendleton in the saddle, and added: “She gave it a brilliant ride. It was a fantastic effort. She followed my instructions, I told her to go wide on the final bend for better ground, she winged the last and rode all the way to the line.”
“She’s come on bundles. We’ll look for another race like this or maybe a hunter chase.”
I thought Chloe Roddick trained the horse and the Hills trained VP.
Thanks, Jeremy. Well, she appears to have a strategy built around not falling off. Pull them up if they’re tired, jump as many as you can safely, and don’t worry too much about riding a race for now.
They might well have accepted that completion in March is the target, with anything else a bonus.
Perhaps a couple of point outings on Pacha du Polder will alter their thinking, but given your earlier comments on that one, maybe not!
Any idea who does the RPRs for the PTP races ? Is it one person or the task of several well trained individuals ?!
Great effort by VP today coming second, no surprise that its Nicholls takeover now, quote from RP Facebook ” Nicholls was on hand to watch Pendleton in the saddle, and added: “She gave it a brilliant ride. It was a fantastic effort. She followed my instructions, I told her to go wide on the final bend for better ground, she winged the last and rode all the way to the line.”
“She’s come on bundles. We’ll look for another race like this or maybe a hunter chase.”
I thought Chloe Roddick trained the horse and the Hills trained VP.
I saw that and wondered what it has to do with him ? Looks like she will be lining up for the Foxhunters at this rate now though
Any idea who does the RPRs for the PTP races ? Is it one person or the task of several well trained individuals ?!
I think I know, but just to be sure, which ratings do you mean, Mark?
UK Point-to-Points don’t have any RPRs accorded them, regardless of whether or not the results are appearing in the Post‘s results archive (currently they are not).
What you’ll see on the Point-to-Point Racing Company’s results pages are the ratings given by David Coulton t/a the Pointer. His ratings are also offered as standard in Pointing racecards (so in the example I gave the other day regarding Pacha Du Polder), unless a fixture or an administrative Area makes its own provision. I think Devon & Cornwall Area fixtures use a different rating, for example.
Those ratings are different again to those published in the Loose-Leaf Update and ultimately the Annual in its current, slimmed-down guise. Martin Harris presides over and edits those (still in essence using the same methodology devised by the Annual‘s creator Geoffrey Sale in 1961), based on the evidence that he and the rest of us dozen or so Pointing racereaders collate at each fixture. These are still given in the form of a handicap rating/weight, rather than a bald numerical figure.
Apologies if any of this is already known, but I thought an in-depth answer might anticipate any possible follow-up questions that anyone has. Hope it helps!
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Why are we not seeing films of her rides? They should all be freely accessible.
Sport doesn’t appear to have a clue.
Stilvi, Google Strutt & Parker Mixed Open Race – YouTube, she looks very good, I am retracting all my previous comments! I do agree it would be nice to see P2P being more proactive in this.
Why are we not seeing films of her rides? They should all be freely accessible.
All of them bar the two at Higham a week last Sunday were at meetings covered by firms that provide race footage to the Point-to-Point Racing Company, albeit you’d have to be a paid subscriber to that site to see any of them. The Westcountry Videos footage from Milborne St Andrew isn’t up yet, but ought to be in a day or two.
Video coverage of UK Points is uneven. Between them the three firms (Westcountry, David Jones Media and Keith Simpson) that supply for the PtPRC site cover virtually 100% of the Devon & Cornwall, Wessex, Northern, Yorkshire and Midlands fixtures, whilst the East Anglian (including Higham), South East and West Wales areas are missed out entirely.
West Wales Area meetings were being filmed by Pembrokeshire Videos the last I checked, and may still be. They prefer to sell independently rather than via the PtPRC.
The other six administrative Areas – North West, South Midlands, West Midlands, South Wales, Welsh Borders and Sandhurst – enjoy just sporadic coverage from the three PtPRC affiliated providers where the calendar permits; though virtually all Welsh Borders and North West fixtures do seem to find their way onto Youtube courtesy of clandestine handheld camera or phone footage.
If it all sounds impossibly bitty, that’s because it is. Reasons for this ongoing scenario are many, but the most often heard is not that the PtPRC pays providers too little (those that do provide have done so since at least 2009 and remain contented enough with the t&cs), but rather that some hunts want to charge providers a hefty whack just for setting up their equipment and then expect them to donate DVDs to winning connections free of charge.
Again, one or two meetings in East Anglia seem to be worse offenders in this regard than most; one of the providers finished significantly out of pocket on each of the couple of occasions he filmed at Cottenham on the opening day of the season.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
The problem is this is a relatively big story and selling that should go beyond one or two parties just trying make a few quid. The videos should be free and as I said the sport is just shooting itself in the foot.
Any idea who does the RPRs for the PTP races ? Is it one person or the task of several well trained individuals ?!
I think I know, but just to be sure, which ratings do you mean, Mark?
UK Point-to-Points don’t have any RPRs accorded them, regardless of whether or not the results are appearing in the <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Post‘s results archive (currently they are not).
What you’ll see on the Point-to-Point Racing Company’s results pages are the ratings given by David Coulton t/a the Pointer. His ratings are also offered as standard in Pointing racecards (so in the example I gave the other day regarding Pacha Du Polder), unless a fixture or an administrative Area makes its own provision. I think Devon & Cornwall Area fixtures use a different rating, for example.
Those ratings are different again to those published in the <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Loose-Leaf Update and ultimately the <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Annual in its current, slimmed-down guise. Martin Harris presides over and edits those (still in essence using the same methodology devised by the <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>Annual‘s creator Geoffrey Sale in 1961), based on the evidence that he and the rest of us dozen or so Pointing racereaders collate at each fixture. These are still given in the form of a handicap rating/weight, rather than a bald numerical figure.
Apologies if any of this is already known, but I thought an in-depth answer might anticipate any possible follow-up questions that anyone has. Hope it helps!
gc
Horses whose recent form includes a PTP are given a Racing Post Rating for that performance in the form pages for the race they are entered in.
e.g When Master Jake ran at Hexham and Lingfield, the description of those recent PTP victories was followed by an RPR.
Big test tomorrow. With an experienced amateur riding PdP would be long odds on to win that race. If she doesn’t win serious questions will be asked.
Big test tomorrow. With an experienced amateur riding PdP would be long odds on to win that race. If she doesn’t win serious questions will be asked.
Surely given the opposition or lack of it she should just hunt round on the bridle and win ? Saying that I would not risk a penny of my own money on her tomorrow
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