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No problem – I’m fascinated and follow all US racing and jump racing around the world where possible. Some great youtube footage from Auteuil and of the Nakayama Grand Jump
It was never intended for Turbo Linn to be a NH horse so you can forget her returning to that sphere altogether. The only reason she ran in bumpers in the first place was that she wouldn’t go into the stalls. Now she is fine with them and has proven herself worthy of a decent sire in the future.
It was never intended for Turbo Linn to be a NH horse so you can forget her returning to that sphere altogether. The only reason she ran in bumpers in the first place was that she wouldn’t go into the stalls. Now she is fine with them and has proven herself worthy of a decent sire in the future.
What the hell does that matter? I’ve proved myself worthy of a decent woman but I can’t flippin find one.
Plenty of nutty ones yeah but a goodun, forget it!!
Sorry, off topic, I know I’ll shut up now, except to say that Turbo Linn looks a good filly to me and I wouldn’t be surprised to see her win a weak Group 1 at some point but I doubt she’ll ever be able to beat Light Shift and Peeping Fawn they are a class above.
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Does anyone else find it slightly morally wrong that she runs in NH flat races but then has no intention of progressing in the NH ranks??
I suppose its okay to do so – but personally thiink its a litle ‘off’ that a flat horse just pops in and collects the prizes before returning to the flat.
I suppose it goes both ways – jump horses run on the flat. But I kind of see reasoning behind this – sharpen them up for a run over hurdles to protect handicap marks or for a big pot such Detroit City – at the beginning of the season.
I think I am rambling as my argument has flaws – I just think its a shame she will not be sent over timber.
As for attraction – I love that filly…
aaftershock if the reasoning of sharpening up a NH horse on the flat to prepare for jumps prizes is acceptable how can it not be the other way round? your argument is not only flawed you have answered your own question.
I assume from your post you are more of a NH fan, which is great everyone has their own preference, but that does not make it superior, morally or otherwise. Personally I love both codes and if racing in both is whats best for a horse then good luck to it. if she is entered in a race she has every right to be there and win.
Running an unraced 3 or 4-y-old in a bumper rather than a maiden on the flat has one massive advantage for the trainer.
If the horse wins a bumper, it can still carry a penalty in another one or two identical races and have a go at the end of season championship contests as well.
If it wins a maiden on the flat, it has to go straight into handicaps taking on more experienced horses and it’s future prospects are controlled by the handicapper, not the trainer.
There used to be a similar system on the flat that allowed maiden winners to have another go under a penalty, but it disappeared in the name of ‘competitive’ racing.
I agree that it’s not what bumpers were designed to achieve, but you can’t blame a trainer for taking an option that is the best for the horse.
AP
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To be fair Ben has got my number and I am much more of a NH fan then of the flat – though I do enjoy both codes of racing.
My point was rather bungled effort in just expressing a viewpoint – though I accept its unrealistic to expect flat trainers not to run their horses in NH bumpers -and its not something I blame a trainer for doing as the prizes are decent.
I guess its more disappointment that I would have liked to see her run over hurdles. I think I saw a throwaway comment the trainer made that she could be a Gold Cup horse in the future and I thought, excellent, we have a decent horse that will be running in NH races for the next 6/7 years. I guess one of my strongest reasonings behind liking NH is that you have a lot more horses that stay in training for years on end and you really, as a punter, become followers of horses. On the flat, she may run one more season after this (or maybe not) and that could be her packed off to be a brood mare.
To be honest AP summed up my point far more eloquently then I could have dreamed of, in the sense that the NH scene has to be careful of unraced flat horses specifically being kept back to be aimed at cleaning up in bumper races if the trainer/ owner has no intention of ever making it a NH horse…
To be honest AP summed up my point far more eloquently then I could have dreamed of, in the sense that the NH scene has to be careful of unraced flat horses specifically being kept back to be aimed at cleaning up in bumper races if the trainer/ owner has no intention of ever making it a NH horse…
I dont think that happens in the general scheme of things. Its usually the horses that have been injured early on that are saved for bumpers. That way they are racing against similarly inexperienced horses, as opposed to animals that have been in training for 18 months+ on the flat. Giving a flat horse a couple runs in bumpers is just delaying the handicap mark, so 2 wasted runs in the majority of cases (obviously not this one though).
So then Aaftershock…If I read in the Racing Post that some nutcase turned up at Shaftesbury waving an ‘ALLOW EMBRYO TRANSFER’ banner, ill know who it is???
Running an unraced 3 or 4-y-old in a bumper rather than a maiden on the flat has one massive advantage for the trainer.
If the horse wins a bumper, it can still carry a penalty in another one or two identical races and have a go at the end of season championship contests as well.
AP
I think that could be argued if the prize money for bumpers was reasonable instead of pathetic. Who in their right mind if they had a flat horse of ability is going to run for 1500 quid unless of course their horse had stalls problems similar to Turbo Linn.
Irish stamp the Breeders Cup is at Monmouth Park this year.
Irish Stamp was, I believe, referring to the jumps version of the BC.
I find the origin of this thread quite strange ~ Alan Swinbank has discovered that racing late maturing types in bumpers is an excellent way of bringing them on for a successful career on the flat. The fact that bumpers are designed to be a training ground for future jumpers doesn’t mean that all bumper recruits should be viewed as cast iron jumps prospects, as evidenced by the careers of Collier Hill, Alfie Flitts and Turbo Linn, and the likes of Mellottie in days gone by.
Does anyone else find it slightly morally wrong that she runs in NH flat races but then has no intention of progressing in the NH ranks??
Having backed Theatre Girl in the Aintree bumper (runner-up to Turbo Linn) I have to agree!
aaftershock,
I take your point and one of the attractions of NH for me is the increased ability to "support" a horse in the non-punting sense. However with regards Turbo Linn it was my impression the trainer was reffering to the Ascot Gold Cup not the cheltenham 1. I dont think this horse has yet achieed enough to be an instant broodmare prospect given her pedigree.- Total Posts 170
Ahhh – now if he was referring to the Ascot Gold Cup that leaves me pretty red faced.
I think I put 2 and 2 together and made 5. I knew she had run in NH races and thought they were just making ‘hay’ whilst she was in form and the ground was soft enough – until reverting back to the NH scene.
Obviously not. I must think before I type….
aaftershock,
I dont think this horse has yet achieed enough to be an instant broodmare prospect given her pedigree.It’s exasperating that this kind of antediluvian nonsense still has its adherents.
Trust me, and I’m sorry to have to repeat what I’ve already posted on this thread, but the most important factor in determining the likely success of a mare at stud is racing merit.
Not "families", not dosage, not some duplication of ancestors a dozen generations back, and not nicking.
Venusian with greatest respect please read my post again. I would agree with you abiliy is the biggest factor. My point was that having achieved what he has isnt a guarentee of instnt success commercially as a broodmare. the point about the pedigreeis aditional to that, not the thrust of my argument.
P.S. sorry for misspelling achieved
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