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  • #308746
    Avatar photoPompete
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    …and did it turn out the same as multiplying the speed at the equator (say 1,040 mph) by the cosine of your latitude ?

    Unfortunately Wit, my experiment didn’t work as the String is travelling at the same speed as the piece of Wood. What I need to do is work out a way to suspend the chairs and string in a fixed position in space-time and then repeat the experiment – but if I can do that I wouldn’t be sat here messing about on a gee-gees forum :D

    However, all is not lost as I do hope one day to go to Kenya where upon, having kept the bit of wood safe in my shed and taking it with me, I shall repeat the experiment and in theory (I think) the distance between the lines cast by the shadow should be longer within the same time period – which will at least prove the earth is not flat.

    A clue to my last question:

    Q – Which Derby winner and subsequent leading Stallion was awarded the race (The Derby) in the Court of Exchequer?

    The Judge during his summing up stated:

    "If gentlemen condescend to race with blackguards, they must condescend to expect to be cheated."

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    the Court of Exchequer (and a whole load of other courts in England) were consolidated into one Supreme Court of Judicature under an Act of 1873, so not anytime recent.

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    Orlando was bred by Colonel (later General, Secretary of State for War in Lord Derby’s ministry, 1858) Jonathan Peel, an MP for over 40 decades and the younger brother of Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel.

    In 1826 Peel had purchased the great 18th century Marble Hill Palladian villa and estate at Twickenham, Middlesex, that had been built by Henrietta Howard, later Countess of Suffolk and a one-time mistress of the Prince of Wales (later George II).

    Peel used the property as a stud, and built a new set of stables there that are still extant.

    ….Next was the Derby at Epsom, with a field of 29. The race was won by 3/4 of a length by a colt called Running Rein. Orlando was second, and Ionian (by Ion), also owned by Peel, was third.

    Running Rein, by the Saddler, had been bred by a Malton chemist, Mr. Cobb, and was sold as a foal to a gambler, Abraham Goodman Levy who later sold him to a Mr. Wood; however, it was not Running Rein, but a four year old colt by Gladiator, Maccabeus, who ran in Running Rein’s name, as he had the year before in a juvenile race he had won.

    At that time The Duke of Rutland, owner of the horse that ran second, and Lord George Bentinck had objected, suspicious of the colt’s appearance, but the steward’s inquiry was dropped when Cobb’s stable lad swore the colt was, in fact Running Rein.

    Even before the Derby running, Bentinck had gathered sufficient evidence, supported by John Bowes and trainer John Scott, to ask the Epsom stewards to investigate the horse’s age and identity, but the stewards decided an inquiry would be opened only if Running Rein won. Which he did.

    The inquiry was delayed until the owner, Mr. Wood, could be found, and eventually the Jockey Club stood back to await the legal settlement of the case, Wood v. Peel in the Court of Exchequer.

    Bentinck presented his evidence, but the judge required that the horse be presented for a vereterinary examination; Running Rein had long since disappeared, and Wood withdrew from the case, leaving Orlando with the win and stakes.

    Also in this Derby, the four-year-old Leander (as it was later proven) ran, was struck in the leg (breaking it) by none other than "Running Rein," and had to be shot.

    The whole notorious episode was a very public example of the chicanery and scandal surrounding the turf at the time, where owners set guards on their animals to prevent nobbling, barely paid stable lads could be purchased to poison their charges, jockeys were paid to pull their mounts or did so when placing bets on opponents, and where vast sums of money changed hands in betting. As the non-sporting judge in the Running Rein case said to Bentinck and Peel: "If gentlemen condescend to race with blackguards, they must condescend to expect to be cheated."

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    http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Orlando.html

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    Well done Wit, yes it was Orlando.

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    who links Orlando with Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?

    #309167
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    Bit of a tenuos link, but is it Trevor Horn?

    #309213
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    Virginia Woolf???

    #309220
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    Not sure about this but:

    Walt Disney?

    Disneyland in Orlando and Disneyland the last Frankie Goes to Hollywood LP.

    #309224
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    No no no, what was I thinking – Walt Disney :?

    Kubla Khan

    #309252
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    Did a bit of reading about Trevor Horn. Is his wife still in a coma?

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    Trevor Horn isn’t the answer.

    however, looking at the question again after his name has come up, there is a tenuous link between him and the answer in terms of something that didn’t happen regarding one of the names in the question.

    but don’t see a link from him to the other name in the question.

    another clue: think in terms of about 20 years between the two names in the question.

    #309270
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    that’s probably too opaque regarding Horn, so I’ll add this:

    Slave to the Rhythm, put together by Horn, was intended to follow-up Frankie’s first single, but was diverted to Grace Jones.

    The Frankie connection is via what actually followed up their first single.

    #309296
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    I went for Tevor Horn, beacuse he produced Frankie Goes To Hollywood records. I knew he also produced one of the more high profile "Romo" bands of the 90’s, which included the band Sexus, Plastic Fantastic, and Orlando. Turns out it was Sexus he produced, and not Orlando.

    I’m still putting it down as a good guess. Ha!

    Ps Gerald, no idea about his wife, sorry.

    Disclaimer: If anyone reading this remembers these bands, can I just confirm, I was definitely not a fan!

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    OK, we’re down to: who links Orlando with "Two Tribes" ?

    further clue: to those of a certain age, Orlando brings to mind something other than Virginia Woolf, Disney, or even this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJijXVUwh5E&feature=fvw

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    Is it anything to do with Patrick Allen, whose voice is used in Two Tribes? No idea why it might be him btw, possibly Orlando was a character he played?

    #309323
    wit
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    spot on.

    On "Two Tribes" Patrick Allen re-voiced his narration from the 1970s of the "Protect and Survive" nuclear fallout public information films, which the government at the time made but then kept under wraps for fear of alarming the public.

    Orlando was a big 1960s colour TV kids detective series with Sam Kydd in the title role of lovable smuggler Orlando O’Connor, solving mysteries along with two kids. To many from that time the word Orlando meant Sam Kydd.

    The Orlando character had been spun out of a 1960s "grown-ups" B&W TV series Crane, where Kydd had appeared alongside Patrick Allen who starred as a Brit who had moved to Casablanca to run a beach bar and smuggle booze and smokes but definitely not arms or drugs:

    http://www.startrader.co.uk/Action%20TV … /crane.htm

    #309326
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    Never ever heard of it.

    #309344
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    Never heard of it either, I got very lucky there.

    This is a two parter and is a bit of a quiz chestnut, but it’s the best I can think of right now:

    a) Who is the only person to have UK number one hits as a solo artist, in a duo, a trio, a quartet and a quintet

    b) Who is the only

    woman

    to have UK number one hits as a solo artist, in a duo, a quartet and a quintet.

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