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  • #339968
    msercs
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    I’m really looking forward to this race. For me its Notus De La Tour. Was dissapointed when i backed last time but that may have just been a pipe opener (pardon the pun!).

    I will also be going for the supposed second Mullins horse in Sweet My Lord. Little worried about the ground but this could run really well under Katie Walsh who showed the boys how to do it in the County hurdle at Cheltenham last year.

    Good luck whatever you are on!

    Cheers

    Martin

    #339970
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Backed Get Me Out Of Here last year, but stable are in poor form (imo) at the moment. Below form this season probably due to taking a hold early. With not much pace in the race tomorrow, that may be the case again. Supreme Novices form has worked out well this term, however, GMOOH had a lot of experience last year, more than some hurdlers get in two seasons. Although if settling I can see him improving, there are some here who might be able to make greater progession.

    Walkon

    is undoubtedly well handicapped; excellent second on first start for over a year. As others have pointed out though, there is a big danger of the bounce factor. Not much time between this and Ascot. Where he did have the run of the race more than some, coming from rear with the eventual winner in an overly strongly run race. Comes back in trip, but usually travels well and had enough pace to win the 2 mile novices at Aintree. Stable in terrific form and warrents a saver.
    Stable mate

    Salden Licht

    has been easy in the market of late, however, that is probably more to do with Choc choosing Walkon than anything significant. Mightily impressive in an Exeter handicap first time out that has worked out particularly well. Hunterview one of many to frank the form when winning a good handicap at Mussleborough earlier in the week. Salden Licht has gone up quite a bit in the weights, nothing he didn’t earn. Record is of constant progression both over hurdles and flat and probably has not finished. Current price under-estimates his chance and being a second-string might get even bigger.

    Soldatino

    was behind Walkon at Ascot, but took a strong hold that day over 3 1/2 furlongs further than here (and reportedly pulled to post too). Hopefully that has taken the freshness out of him and will settle better now. Very weak in the betting on the day. Travelling best of all around the turn for home, only to be given a "considerate" ride. Could have been a lot closer with stronger handling. Will strip a lot fitter. Although the Triumph has not worked out as well as both Supreme and Neptunes Hurdle, hasn’t been as bad as some think. Third and fourth winning this term. 12/1 was too big, but has come in for good support today.
    New stable mate (ex-French) Solix was briefly backed in to favourite earlier in the week. However his form is all over further and softer, it is far from certain he’ll be suited by this test of speed.

    Final Approach

    comes from Willie Mullins stable which is in just as good form as Alan King. This 5 year old won the MCR Hurdle in good style, Mullins has few runners in GB outside the Cheltenham Festival and should not be under-estimated.
    His other runner is Sweet My Lord, one of very few here that like to be up there with the pace (Drill Sergeant the only other I found). Coming back in trip, but has shown quite a bit of speed over further. Katey Walsh takes the ride.
    Kingy’s third string Iolith is only a novice, but has done nothing wrong over hurdles. Would not be surprised to see him involved in the finish. Richard Johnson an eye-catching booking.
    Can’t see fourth string The Betchworth Kid being good enough.
    Two stable companions Notus De La Tour and Ronaldo Des Mottes have chances. Former well backed when fav in Tiger O’Toole / Walkon’s race at Ascot. Money means doubtful he lacked for fitness. It’s possible not suited by a strongly run 2m31/2f, can’t quite see him winning this though. Ditto Ronaldo Des Mottes, second last year and not been seen this term. Though not fully exposed yet.
    Rebel Dancer finished a good second to ex-ante-post favourite for this Tocca Ferro in the Gerry Fielden here. Stable also now in excellent form. Interesting outsider as is Bothy. Isn’t very big, but further improvement when good second to Menorah in the Greatwood. Has a chance if a disappointing run at Southwell can be forgiven.

    Backed Salden Licht 10/1 and Soldatino 12/1 with savers on Walkon 8/1 and Final Approach 10/1. Also (fortunately not in my thread) Tocca Ferro 10/1 (came in to 5/1 before injury).

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    #339982
    Grimes
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    A couple of racing columnists have highlighted Final Approach’s chance on the basis of his flat form and the highly competitive handicap in Ireland he won easily last time out. In that race, he went into the lead on the bridle, while the others were riding like mad, then just took off when pushed out.

    That flat form is interesting because of a collateral line with Donna’s Palm. On that basis, he was just a shade better than DP, but judging from his last race, he would probably hurdle just as well as her.

    He’s gone up a stone. But I believe that still leaves his handicap mark very much lower than DP’s, so on a point of handicapping (and incidentally, breeding, since he’s a half-brother to Nayyir), maybe he’s the one to be on – at least as a saver.

    #340026
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    Fist ….I believe JP Mcmanus is in Florida playing in the Pebble Beach pro-am.Think GMOOH will start fav regardless though.

    Paired up with Marino the man can’t keep away from winners….He hits a fair ball JP but I doubt if he could drive Newbury from there :lol:

    The rush on Soldatino seems to be gathering momentum and he looks sure to go off fav now. Kinda wish I had backed him when I was told BG would be riding him :cry:

    Never mind money doesn’t make em run faster and he still has it all to do to beat GMOOH if he is back to his best.

    #340028
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    Fascinating race and plenty with a chance, backed Soldatino at 8’s e/w last night and happy with that, think he’ll come on for the Ascot run where he didn’t find much in the home stretch but travelling extremely well prior to that, wasn’t asked too many questions by BG either that day.

    #340033
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    It is a right puzzle but the two I settled on were Solix at 14s and Final Approach at 10s. Both are unexposed – Small stakes mind, when I ruled out the ones I considered without hope, I was left with ten potential winners!!!

    #340043
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    A couple of racing columnists have highlighted Final Approach’s chance on the basis of his flat form and the highly competitive handicap in Ireland he won easily last time out. In that race, he went into the lead on the bridle, while the others were riding like mad, then just took off when pushed out.

    That flat form is interesting because of a collateral line with Donna’s Palm. On that basis, he was just a shade better than DP, but judging from his last race, he would probably hurdle just as well as her.

    He’s gone up a stone. But I believe that still leaves his handicap mark very much lower than DP’s, so on a point of handicapping (and incidentally, breeding, since he’s a half-brother to Nayyir), maybe he’s the one to be on – at least as a saver.

    Final Approach has been raised 14lb for winning an absolute dog of a race (the second hadn’t run for 14 months, the third hasn’t won over hurdles for almost two years and the fourth is an ageing monkey); he was one of the first I eliminated.

    #340059
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    I’ve backed Drill Sergeant and hope that he a] starts or b] doesn’t run out. I like these quirky types. Also couldn’t resist the huge prices for The Betchworth Kid and Nearby!

    #340256
    Grimes
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    A couple of racing columnists have highlighted Final Approach’s chance on the basis of his flat form and the highly competitive handicap in Ireland he won easily last time out. In that race, he went into the lead on the bridle, while the others were riding like mad, then just took off when pushed out.

    That flat form is interesting because of a collateral line with Donna’s Palm. On that basis, he was just a shade better than DP, but judging from his last race, he would probably hurdle just as well as her.

    He’s gone up a stone. But I believe that still leaves his handicap mark very much lower than DP’s, so on a point of handicapping (and incidentally, breeding, since he’s a half-brother to Nayyir), maybe he’s the one to be on – at least as a saver.

    Final Approach has been raised 14lb for winning an absolute dog of a race (the second hadn’t run for 14 months, the third hasn’t won over hurdles for almost two years and the fourth is an ageing monkey); he was one of the first I eliminated.

    Interesting for a race with a 50,000 punts prize to the winner. A racing journalist also described it as fiercely competitive, and the second horse, Call The Police, who won that "dog of a race", must have shown a lot to connections on the gallops, as it’s one of the joint favourites for the County Hurdle.

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    I see the bookies have now voided all bets on the Totesport Trophy. How can they get away with it? I have backed various horses for Cheltenham with the risk of them not running in certain races and am happy to concede I have done my money. But surely, when you get 12/1 on a horse ante post and on the day it gets backed into 6/1, the race is re-run a few days later and they void all bets so any value that may have been had has long gone! I understand about reopening the race, but surely people that are already "on" ante post should stay "on" ante post!
    I backed kid Cassidy for Cheltenham, but will they give me money back if it now doesn’t run after getting electrocuted? I don’t think so!!! The bookies are thieving gangsters…nothing more!

    #340889
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    Jamiedb9007 – which bookie/s have voided bets? Part of my stake is with b365, just checked my account and the bet is still on.

    #340894
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    Jamiedb9007 – which bookie/s have voided bets? Part of my stake is with b365, just checked my account and the bet is still on.

    From what I can tell all of the main protagonists….Hills, Corals, Ladbrokes, VC

    #340898
    Grimes
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    Betfair paid back my small stake, but, thankfully, I’m still on with VC, B365, Bfd and PP.

    No. Not with Betfred.

    #340899
    Avatar photoJAMIEDB9007
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    Yep, Ladbrokes returned my mighty bet of £20 on Soldatino at 12/1….what genrous sports they are…it’s nearly half the price now….

    #340941
    jmfitz
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    When did you make your bet Jamie?

    I have antepost bets on with BF,Bet365 and SJ and all bets are still on. Only bets refunded were bets I made on the day.

    #340944
    Grimes
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    I think your Drill Sergeant is the best handicapped now, moehat. But I don’t regret having something on GMOOH and Walkon. Ironical the two I had most on were withdrawn.

    I expect it’s down to the prize-money being halved. You’d think such a substantial industry would have reserve funds, instead of needing to have a whip-round – which I understand, perhaps wrongly – is what took place; and just to get half the prize-money back in place. I wonder why the sponsors piked out to that extent?

    PS: I meant to say, "But I don’t regret having something on GMOOH and Walkon, as well."

    #341174
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    I’m still in the GMOOH camp but John Quinn is not in the habit of wasting owners money and if a horse isn’t good enough he’ll tell them straight. John has been blinkered for months with only one race in mind for Reccession Proof and has made no secret of the fact they think he’ll take all the beating in a race that looks taylormade for him. He seldom get’s it wrong so I reckon the 14/1 still available is a stonking good bet with 4 places available.

    My 2 against the field Get Me Out Of Here asnd Reccession Proof

    Good call Fisty – where-ever you are. 8)

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