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Of course every punter needs to be able to "identify a good horse" Gord, but it is its price that makes the horse a good bet.
Thats somewhat hypocritical from someone who backs horses varying from 3/1 to 20/1 in the same race,whats worse is your actual winning price from some of these victories could be as short as 1/2.Now for someone who loves to preach ‘Value is Everything’ your value deteriorates everytime you have another saver on the race.At the end of the day you make a profit from your Odds-on returns and that has to be applauded as you dont wander from the path you’ve chosen but that is all a numbers game and isn’t really the way the rest of us go about betting.As for having an opinion on a horse you fail miserably as you cant seem to grasp the necessary requirements in order to assess horses,you stick to your ‘spread betting’ style and you’ll be fine but to write about horses for the likes of Timeform certainly is beyond your limited ability.
Incidentally isDawn Approach
a good bet at 9/4 for the Prix Jaques le Marois to beat ‘Intello’ and ‘Moonlight cloud’??
I was astonished at the crispness and accuracy of Ken Buchanan’s punches, Himself. I’ll never forget that. There’s so much mauling, hanging on, and optimistic or opportunistic (depending on how good they are), close-quarters punching in clinches, particularly among the heavier weights.
Again, no wish to hijack the thread, but I must tell you this one from KB’s autobiography. He went badly astray, especially with alcohol, and he grew his hair long, wore sunglasses all the time and managed to get a joinery job on a building site where the workers knew him only by his first name.
An agent came on site one day and recognised him, shook his hand and asked for an autograph, after which one of his mates approached in wonderment and said, "**** sakes, Ken, you must be some ******* joiner!"
Nice one Steeplechasing!
Ken was as good a Lightweight as we’ve had from these shores and was more than a match for the ‘Hardman’ Roberto Duran in his day,some say he should have won their controversial bout back in the early 70’s but Ken like Duran were street fighters compared to the intellect of ‘Sugar Ray Leonard’ and Duran himself fell to the much more articulate and practised ‘Boxer’ in Leonard.Just like horse racing there were triers and non-triers in the ring but real class fighters were few and far between.Sugar Ray Leonard was the latter.The 70’s were the Glory days of Boxing from all weight categories.I was astonished at the crispness and accuracy of Ken Buchanan’s punches, Himself. I’ll never forget that. There’s so much mauling, hanging on, and optimistic or opportunistic (depending on how good they are), close-quarters punching in clinches, particularly among the heavier weights.
Again, no wish to hijack the thread, but I must tell you this one from KB’s autobiography. He went badly astray, especially with alcohol, and he grew his hair long, wore sunglasses all the time and managed to get a joinery job on a building site where the workers knew him only by his first name.
An agent came on site one day and recognised him, shook his hand and asked for an autograph, after which one of his mates approached in wonderment and said, "**** sakes, Ken, you must be some ******* joiner!"
Hilarious, Steeplechasing! Have you got any more like that? I’ve got a few in relation to other sports. True ones like that one. I wonder if I should start another thread at the Lounge?
I was astonished at the crispness and accuracy of Ken Buchanan’s punches, Himself. I’ll never forget that. There’s so much mauling, hanging on, and optimistic or opportunistic (depending on how good they are), close-quarters punching in clinches, particularly among the heavier weights.
Again, no wish to hijack the thread, but I must tell you this one from KB’s autobiography. He went badly astray, especially with alcohol, and he grew his hair long, wore sunglasses all the time and managed to get a joinery job on a building site where the workers knew him only by his first name.
An agent came on site one day and recognised him, shook his hand and asked for an autograph, after which one of his mates approached in wonderment and said, "**** sakes, Ken, you must be some ******* joiner!"
Nice one Steeplechasing!
Ken was as good a Lightweight as we’ve had from these shores and was more than a match for the ‘Hardman’ Roberto Duran in his day,some say he should have won their controversial bout back in the early 70’s but Ken like Duran were street fighters compared to the intellect of ‘Sugar Ray Leonard’ and Duran himself fell to the much more articulate and practised ‘Boxer’ in Leonard.Just like horse racing there were triers and non-triers in the ring but real class fighters were few and far between.Sugar Ray Leonard was the latter.The 70’s were the Glory days of Boxing from all weight categories.I love the nick-names in boxing. The irony! And the metaphors. Sugar! A sweet assassin! Jimmy Wilde: the Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand. Too late at night for me to think of others. But I’ve long marvelled at the originality of American slang. One of my favourites is, ‘Why, she beat him like a red-headed stepchild!’ But there are so many. Another brilliant one, Shakespeare or T S Eliot might have been proud of, away from the literary scene: ‘She had legs that just wouldn’t quit!’
They also used to hear fashionable sayings again and again in the American TV films – Kojak, that sort of thing. One that sticks kind my mind was: ‘What? Are you some kinda nut?’ Do you remember any of them, Gord?
If you were having intercourse with Scarlett Johansson, and consequentially dating, but your mother disapproved of the whole affair, would you care?
TAPK reads nothing more than a merry fun drunk in a particular brand of pub. So why Ginger feels the need to defend himself to such extents, i do not understand.
If you’re successful in a field, generally you shouldn’t feel the need to be so critically defensive. Especially in a gambling sphere, where it is inheritantly more subjective and temperamental.
As for the thread, there isn’t much between Toronado and Dawn Approach, although the Guineas should be largely removed when analysing their respective abilities. I suspect Toronado may consolidate the result from here on in, but for now, we can only summarise that both are excellent horses with very similar abilities over a mile.
They also used to hear fashionable sayings again and again in the American TV films – Kojak, that sort of thing. One that sticks kind my mind was: ‘What? Are you some kinda nut?’ Do you remember any of them, Gord?
"Who loves ya Baby" Was that Colombo Grimes?? How about the Classic from Ironside.." I cant get down the Kerb"!
How about the one from The Professionals with Bodie and Doyle.." Is that a Gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me",Classic lines Grimes! Here’s another legendary one……"I’ll be Back"! From Steptoe and son! "Who loves ya Baby" Was that Colombo Grimes??
I think it was Kojack, Gordon. Yes, pretty sure.
‘How about the one from The Professionals with Bodie and Doyle.." Is that a Gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me",Classic lines Grimes!’
I think that was stolen from Roger Rabbit, spoken by a Lauren Backall look-a-like. I didn’t actually see the film, but the trailer was on TV often enough.
I don’t remember the Steptoe one, but I imagine it was the young one, just before stomping off in a huff! They both looked the part, but the old boy in particular.
My wife and I used to laugh when Colombo began blethering about Mrs Colombo, who you never got to see.
Peter Falk was some character. I believe he’d worked as a small-time pool hustler at one time. Apparently, immediately after WWII, presumably before the Iron Curtain fell, Falk and his girl-friend went to Tito’s Yugoslavia to help build a rail-road there.
Anyway, some years later, he applied for a job with the CIA. And when he mentioned his Yugoslavian adventure, the CIA bloke nearly went barmy! (or ‘bananas’: another catch-phrase of yore) Falk said, ‘You mean they wouldn’t let me into DC?’ The CIA interviewer exploded, ‘DC? They wouldn’t let you into Washington State!’
Did you ever see one of his films on the box called, The In-Laws? One of the funniest films I’ve ever seen. The first hour actually. It tapers off a lot after that. If you haven’t try and catch it.
The funniest line, imo, was when he had inveigled his very buttoned-up brother-in-law to break into the Pentagon with him. His brother-in-law, looking at a photo on the wall with Falk, John Kennedy and others with the inscription underneath, Bay of Pigs crew. He said to Falk, ‘Wow! Were you in the Bay of Pigs op?’ ‘Was I in it?’ Falk replied. ‘It was my idea!’
"Who loves ya Baby" Was that Colombo Grimes??
I think it was Kojack, Gordon. Yes, pretty sure.
‘How about the one from The Professionals with Bodie and Doyle.." Is that a Gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me",Classic lines Grimes!’
I think that was stolen from Roger Rabbit
, spoken by a Lauren Backall look-a-like. I didn’t actually see the film, but the trailer was on TV often enough.
I don’t remember the Steptoe one, but I imagine it was the young one, just before stomping off in a huff! They both looked the part, but the old boy in particular.
My wife and I used to laugh when Colombo began blethering about Mrs Colombo, who you never got to see.
Peter Falk was some character. I believe he’d worked as a small-time pool hustler at one time. Apparently, immediately after WWII, presumably before the Iron Curtain fell, Falk and his girl-friend went to Tito’s Yugoslavia to help build a rail-road there.
Anyway, some years later, he applied for a job with the CIA. And when he mentioned his Yugoslavian adventure, the CIA bloke nearly went barmy! (or ‘bananas’: another catch-phrase of yore) Falk said, ‘You mean they wouldn’t let me into DC?’ The CIA interviewer exploded, ‘DC? They wouldn’t let you into Washington State!’
Did you ever see one of his films on the box called, The In-Laws? One of the funniest films I’ve ever seen. The first hour actually. It tapers off a lot after that. If you haven’t try and catch it.
The funniest line, imo, was when he had inveigled his very buttoned-up brother-in-law to break into the Pentagon with him. His brother-in-law, looking at a photo on the wall with Falk, John Kennedy and others with the inscription underneath, Bay of Pigs crew. He said to Falk, ‘Wow! Were you in the Bay of Pigs op?’ ‘Was I in it?’ Falk replied. ‘It was my idea!’
I’ve got a sneaking suspicion it was a quip from notorious man-eater Mae West over fifty years earlier than that??
I’ve got a sneaking suspicion it was a quip from notorious man-eater Mae West over fifty years earlier than that??
Yep Mae West, though like the other examples attributed to her below I wouldn’t be surprised if they were older still
when I’m good, I’m very good, but when I’m bad, I’m better
Goodness, what lovely diamonds…Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie!
A favourite of mine is from that rich source of slick one-liners, M.A.S.H.
After heavy bombardment from the enemy:
Trapper John – I
think it’s time we evacuated
Hawkeye –I think I already have
You will be held in contempt of this court,madam. And I am trying so hard not to show it.
Are you carrying a weapon or are you just glad to see me?
I regret not opening that home for wayward boys.I did say on a thread a couple of weeks ago why can low grade horses run nearly every week but top class horses cant now i know why!!
Dawn Approach needs a long break hopefully until next season.
I did say on a thread a couple of weeks ago why can low grade horses run nearly every week but top class horses cant now i know why!!
Dawn Approach needs a long break hopefully until next season.
It’s the Bolger way. We have just seen it in two races. Runs them into the ground trying to win everything.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
And they think Dawn Approach could win a Champion Stakes ?
I’m not sure on the sectionals for the Guineas but the last couple of races, DA looks to have been flat out and unable to " quicken "
Needs to be given 6-8 weeks off because with him being such a game horse, whatever we’re seeing at the moment is everything it can give and that should be a worry for Bolger. Maybe he’s bottomed him out.
Hughes gave Olympic Glory too much to do, as he did at Longchamps
And they think Dawn Approach could win a Champion Stakes ?
I’m not sure on the sectionals for the Guineas but the last couple of races, DA looks to have been flat out and unable to " quicken "
Needs to be given 6-8 weeks off because with him being such a game horse, whatever we’re seeing at the moment is everything it can give and that should be a worry for Bolger. Maybe he’s bottomed him out.
Hughes gave Olympic Glory too much to do, as he did at Longchamps
It was Dettori Mark not Hughes who is busy going through the card at Windsor.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
And they think Dawn Approach could win a Champion Stakes ?
I’m not sure on the sectionals for the Guineas but the last couple of races, DA looks to have been flat out and unable to " quicken "
Needs to be given 6-8 weeks off because with him being such a game horse, whatever we’re seeing at the moment is everything it can give and that should be a worry for Bolger. Maybe he’s bottomed him out.
Hughes gave Olympic Glory too much to do, as he did at Longchamps
It was Dettori Mark not Hughes who is busy going through the card at Windsor.
Yeah. mental block. Weird thing is i watched Hughes win a race at Windsor then thought he was on Olympic Glory !!!
He’s good but not that good…Of course every punter needs to be able to "identify a good horse" Gord, but it is its price that makes the horse a good bet.
Thats somewhat hypocritical from someone who backs horses varying from 3/1 to 20/1 in the same race,whats worse is your actual winning price from some of these victories could be as short as 1/2.Now for someone who loves to preach ‘Value is Everything’ your value deteriorates everytime you have another saver on the race.At the end of the day you make a profit from your Odds-on returns and that has to be applauded as you dont wander from the path you’ve chosen but that is all a numbers game and isn’t really the way the rest of us go about betting.As for having an opinion on a horse you fail miserably as you cant seem to grasp the necessary requirements in order to assess horses,you stick to your ‘spread betting’ style and you’ll be fine but to write about horses for the likes of Timeform certainly is beyond your limited ability.
Very little writing needed Gord. Not that I was serious about wanting to do the 1-2-3 or a 4-5-6
, just responding to Nathan’s quip and taking the mickey out of my own multiple bets. Timeform want young graduates they can teach their values, not a 40-something set in his ways with his own ideas about the game.Waffle on all you like about the value I am destroying, my percentage profit on stakes speaks for itself. Suggest comparing it to yours. If I am "failing miserably" Gord… What does that make you?
Someone who "cant seem to grasp the necessary requirements in order to assess horses" accurately enough. Forgive me for using your eloquent diction as I am of "limited ability". 
You might one day realise making a good profit is not about writing prose Gord. Of course people will enjoy reading and tune in, but it is the
conclusions
made that matter to
profit
making.
Eventually putting 10 times your normal stake on one you apparently have so much "
confidence
" in – might get you back in to profit again Gord. Deserving credit for finding that
one
winner and what a terrific story! But it’s a precarious business where a thread/year’s
whole
profit/loss
depends
solely
on one horse in one race
winning or losing
. It may in fact be the best chance
most ordinary
punters have of making a profit. Might be fun/funny trying to convince others with a grand sounding name, as big an ego, and apparent over-confidence in well written prose… But anyone with such a record should not kid HIMSELF.
Nobody
with enough real
confidence
in their own ability to find winner
s
(plural)
relies
on one horse winning one race.
You do not understand what fair "value" is (including percentages) and unfortunately for you Gord don’t want to understand, choosing ignorance. I need to have a good "opinion" about every horse to find the correct value bets. Every horse in a race alters the chance/fair price of every other horse. Having one opinion about one horse is not enough. It is a shame you’ve never grasped the concept my friend. Allied to brilliant prose, it could’ve made the difference and made you a racing journalist/tipster instead of builder. As it is, those experts reading your wonderful words are also capable of reading results.
I’ve now achieved my dream job and rather be good at betting than writing.
Value Is EverythingOf course every punter needs to be able to "identify a good horse" Gord, but it is its price that makes the horse a good bet.
Thats somewhat hypocritical from someone who backs horses varying from 3/1 to 20/1 in the same race,whats worse is your actual winning price from some of these victories could be as short as 1/2.Now for someone who loves to preach ‘Value is Everything’ your value deteriorates everytime you have another saver on the race.At the end of the day you make a profit from your Odds-on returns and that has to be applauded as you dont wander from the path you’ve chosen but that is all a numbers game and isn’t really the way the rest of us go about betting.As for having an opinion on a horse you fail miserably as you cant seem to grasp the necessary requirements in order to assess horses,you stick to your ‘spread betting’ style and you’ll be fine but to write about horses for the likes of Timeform certainly is beyond your limited ability.
Very little writing needed Gord. Not that I was serious about wanting to do the 1-2-3 or a 4-5-6
, just responding to Nathan’s quip and taking the mickey out of my own multiple bets. Timeform want young graduates they can teach their values, not a 40-something set in his ways with his own ideas about the game.Waffle on all you like about the value I am destroying, my percentage profit on stakes speaks for itself. Suggest comparing it to yours. If I am "failing miserably" Gord… What does that make you?
Someone who "cant seem to grasp the necessary requirements in order to assess horses" accurately enough. Forgive me for using your eloquent diction as I am of "limited ability". You might one day realise making a good profit is not about writing prose Gord. Of course people will enjoy reading and tune in, but it is the
conclusions
made that matter to
profit
making.
Eventually putting 10 times your normal stake on one you apparently have so much "
confidence
" in – might get you back in to profit again Gord. Deserving credit for finding that
one
winner and what a terrific story! But it’s a precarious business where a thread/year’s
whole
profit/loss
depends
solely
on one horse in one race
winning or losing
. It may in fact be the best chance
most ordinary
punters have of making a profit. Might be fun/funny trying to convince others with a grand sounding name, as big an ego, and apparent over-confidence in well written prose… But anyone with such a record should not kid HIMSELF.
Nobody
with enough real
confidence
in their own ability to find winner
s
(plural)
relies
on one horse winning one race.
You do not understand what fair "value" is (including percentages) and unfortunately for you Gord don’t want to understand, choosing ignorance. I need to have a good "opinion" about every horse to find the correct value bets. Every horse in a race alters the chance/fair price of every other horse. Having one opinion about one horse is not enough. It is a shame you’ve never grasped the concept my friend. Allied to brilliant prose, it could’ve made the difference and made you a racing journalist/tipster instead of builder. As it is, those experts reading your wonderful words are also capable of reading results.
I’ve now achieved my dream job and rather be good at betting than writing.
Geez,I can smell the Sh*t that comes out of your mouth from here and I’m not going to put a ‘Smiley face’ on the end of this post because you are full of Sh*t!! If Sh*t was a Carpet then you are an Axminster! If Sh*t was a Liar you’d be called Billy and if Sh*t was a tipster you’d be me!!
Couldn’t resist!
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