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What are haydock doing. Clearly don’t care for people who would like to be able to watch both navan and haydock. Then we have a 25 min gap until lingfield, then haydock will clash with navan again. Total joke
itv control the times of the races they show, as did channel 4 therefore Haydock cannot change the times, also with Ascot cancelled Lingfield was 5 mins before Haydock.
I think you’ll find the Haydock times have been changed to allow an extra race to be shown on terrestrial TV in the UK.
Whilst the clash may be frustrating I don’t see why the times of races in the UK should, in any way, be dictated by some foreign race meeting – especially a relatively minor one.
That argument doesn’t stand up because if ITV were so concerned about showing 5 races from haydock then why weren’t the race times organised to allow for this weeks ago.
They weren’t originally concerned about showing an extra race from Haydock they only showed the extra race because Ascot was off.
It’s called being proactive but my argument still stands i.e. race times for minor foreign race meetings should play no part in the timing of UK races.
…apart from the fact the word ‘debacle’ is way over the top for what was comparatively minor adjustment to times to allow an extra televised race.
It was a debacle because there are only two jumps meetings today and haydock decided to move their races to clash with the other.
My point is if all it took to show an extra race was for haydock to go off 5 mins later then why wasn’t this done regardless of whether Ascot was on or off.
thewexfordman
Because they added the extra race after Ascot was called off. If you look at the original TV schedule there were 4 races planned from Ascot and 3 from Haydock, they nudged the times to allow coverage of an extra race from Haydock. But then I’m sure you are well aware of that…
Debacle – ‘a sudden and ignominious failure; a fiasco.’ Others can make up their mind as to whether this is an accurate description in this case, but I don’t think it is. I hope something serious doesn’t happen because I fear you will have run out of suitable words!
Rob
ITV planned on showing 7 races if Ascot was on but why didn’t they arrange everything in the first place to allow the 5th race at haydock to be shown either way? They had the time in their program to show 8 races and all it would have taken was to let haydock go off 5 mins later. This is the way the coverage should have been originally organized and not just as an after thought. This would have been done days or weeks ago and navan could have gone with alternative times.
In other words a fifth race could have been shown at haydock even if ascot was on
ITV planned on showing 7 races if Ascot was on but why didn’t they arrange everything in the first place to allow the 4th/5th race at haydock to be shown either way? They had the time in their program to show 8 races and all it would have taken was to let haydock go off 5 mins later. This is the way the coverage should have been originally organized and not just as an after thought. This would have been done days or weeks ago and navan could have gone with alternative times.
In other words a fifth race could have been shown at haydock even if ascot was on
ITV planned on showing 7 races if Ascot was on but why didn’t they arrange everything in the first place to allow the 4th/5th race at haydock to be shown either way? They had the time in their program to show 8 races and all it would have taken was to let haydock go off 5 mins later. This is the way the coverage should have been originally organized and not just as an after thought. This would have been done days or weeks ago and navan could have gone with alternative times.
In other words an extra race could have been shown at haydock even if ascot was on
The real issue here is the total lack of cooperation between the BHA and HRI.
In the winter the carefully structured schedule of off times on days with several meetings will sometimes be rendered out of kilter by abandonments and the consequences thereof.
Today was a prime example. The only terrestrial broadcaster was in Britain and having lost both one of its scheduled meetings and its backup (Taunton) it’s only natural ITV and the BHA were keen that an extra race could be shown live by pushing back the start times at Haydock by merely 5 minutes. Doing this had the additional benefit, to shops and those watching both RUK and ATR at the same time, of widening the gap between races at Lingfield and Haydock.
However, it also produced a clash between Haydock and Navan, the latter being a perfectly respectable meeting in one of the two closely related countries for whose inhabitants Jumps racing is a national passion.
With the last race at Navan scheduled for 3.55, well before darkness descends, why wouldn’t HRI do the logical thing, whether requested to by the BHA or not, by pushing back all the races at Navan by 10 minutes?
The real issue here is the total lack of cooperation between the BHA and HRI.
In the winter the carefully structured schedule of off times on days with several meetings will sometimes be rendered out of kilter by abandonments and the consequences thereof.
Today was a prime example. The only terrestrial broadcaster was in Britain and having lost both one of its scheduled meetings and its backup (Taunton) it’s only natural ITV and the BHA were keen that an extra race could be shown live by pushing back the start times at Haydock by merely 5 minutes. Doing this had the additional benefit, to shops and those watching both RUK and ATR at the same time, of widening the gap between races at Lingfield and Haydock.
However, it also produced a clash between Haydock and Navan, the latter being a perfectly respectable meeting in one of the two closely related countries for whose inhabitants Jumps racing is a national passion.
With the last race at Navan scheduled for 3.55, well before darkness descends, why wouldn’t HRI do the logical thing, whether requested to by the BHA or not, by pushing back all the races at Navan by 10 minutes?
According to this article
http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=23340124&category=0
HRI were perfectly happy to delay the Navan races and officials at Navan were too. Unfortunately the Navan stewards saw no reason to delay them and one has to hope they are happy with their narrowminded decision and enjoyed knocking off at their scheduled time rather than a whole ten minutes late.
Weird we always delay even a big race here for an egg and spoon race in Ireland but the stewards over there at one course can over rule the powers that be and ruin the viewing for anyone at home
Thanks Meerkat, just seen the article. Wow, it’s incredible and ridiculous. I suppose there has to be a degree of autonomy for local stewards in certain raceday matters but Navan is one of four courses owned by HRI and I think HRI needs to look at putting something in its rules for all courses regarding items that affect the much bigger picture.
Yes, Tony, and it’s especially galling when waiting for a race in Ireland delays one British race and pushes it right up the backside of another.
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