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From The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ma … racehorses
Did it really matter that Frankel never ran at a mile and a half, or that he never raced abroad, or on any surface other than turf? It is necessary to go back to the 19th century, when Ormonde won 16 out of 16, to find an undefeated champion on the Flat in Britain who retired with such an extraordinary record. In terms purely of the quality of his performances, the measure used by this annual to compare horses, Frankel had nothing left to prove. He was a phenomenon for the racing world to wonder at
indeed and agreed
Hear hear!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
From The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ma … racehorses
Did it really matter that Frankel never ran at a mile and a half?
Only to those who believe versatility is pre-requisite to awarding true Greatness to a Racehorse.Had
Frankel
ran over a 11/2m and failed miserably he would have been recognised quite accurately as the Greatest Miler ever and I would happily concur with that label.
From The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/ma … racehorses
Did it really matter that Frankel never ran at a mile and a half?
Only to those who believe versatility is pre-requisite to awarding true Greatness to a Racehorse.Had
Frankel
ran over a 11/2m and failed miserably he would have been recognised quite accurately as the Greatest Miler ever and I would happily concur with that label.
Look up the word "versatility" in the dictionary Gord then watch again how he won over 7f, 1m and 10f. On good to firm, good, good to soft, soft and heavy. How he won ridden from the front, from just in behind and from having been left at the start. See how he won around the undulations of Goodwood, the straight galloping mile of Newmarket, round left hand bends and right hand ones. At 2 years, 3 years and 4 years. Then tell me again he wasn’t versatile.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Those stuck in the past will always believe 1m4f is best. Forgive them Phil, they know not what they are saying.
Value Is EverythingIt’s gonna be real strange not seeing Frankel racing this year. He made such an impact on me that, from here on in, I’ll always be trying to compare future ‘stars’ to him and each one will be coming up short.
Reminiscing on all of his races, I still think he never encountered a truly frenetic pace. I feel the faster they’d have gone, the easier he’d have won … he just left that impression with me.
I am a Frankelphile – fully paid up member, but I will go to my grave convinced that a mile and a half would have proved beyond even him.
Yes, for me, he just pips The Brigadier as THE outstanding miler, and yes, he may well have proved too strong for the other "best ever" 10 furlong performers – but for anyone to suggest that he would have beaten the Likes of Sea Bird, Mill Reef, Ribot, Dancing Brave or Nijinsky over their best distance is nothing more than mere conjecture.
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He wouldn’t have beaten Kauto Star over 3 miles either
Mill Reef wasn’t the best at a mile, it doesn’t detract from his greatness
I don’t think you understand Slow hand.Nobody says Frankel was not the best horse ever to race in GB.Which of course he was.They simply state he was not the best 1&1/2 mile horse ever to race in GB.Also not the best sprinter ever to race in GB.Are you getting the picture ?
I am a Frankelphile – fully paid up member, but I will go to my grave convinced that a mile and a half would have proved beyond even him.
Yes, for me, he just pips The Brigadier as THE outstanding miler, and yes, he may well have proved too strong for the other "best ever" 10 furlong performers – but for anyone to suggest that he would have beaten the Likes of Sea Bird, Mill Reef, Ribot, Dancing Brave or Nijinsky over their best distance is nothing more than mere conjecture.
Any speculation now is pure conjecture including those speculating that he wouldn’t have got the 12 furlong trip in fine style.
My personal conjecture is that this horse didn’t get, or at least excel at 12 furlongs, but that he was so very, very special and so very much head and shoulders above his peers that he’d probably have beaten them comfortably on good ground over 12 furlongs despite it not being his optimum trip. I’m convinced of it.
Another feather in his cap over the weekend I see. (Unless of course somebody genuinely believes SNA would have over hauled Frankel in another 1.5 furlongs at York.
) It beats me why, but I get the impression that people still don’t realize how unique this horse was. No horse I’ve watched in my lifetime has given me the impression that it was unbeatable over its optimum trip. Imho Frankel WAS unbeatable over a mile.
He wouldn’t have been beaten even if somebody had unearthed a blue police telephone box with horse transporting facilities.
Greatest flat race horse ever? Absolutely, no question!
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ChristopherPHammond/f3e4a08f-c738-437a-8e8b-29a2ee93dd04_zps3a4dd37f.jpg
I am a Frankelphile – fully paid up member, but I will go to my grave convinced that a mile and a half would have proved beyond even him.
Yes, for me, he just pips The Brigadier as THE outstanding miler, and yes, he may well have proved too strong for the other "best ever" 10 furlong performers – but for anyone to suggest that he would have beaten the Likes of Sea Bird, Mill Reef, Ribot, Dancing Brave or Nijinsky over their best distance is nothing more than mere conjecture.
Any speculation now is pure conjecture including those speculating that he wouldn’t have got the 12 furlong trip in fine style.
My personal conjecture is that this horse didn’t get, or at least excel at 12 furlongs, but that he was so very, very special and so very much head and shoulders above his peers that he’d probably have beaten them comfortably on good ground over 12 furlongs despite it not being his optimum trip. I’m convinced of it.
Another feather in his cap over the weekend I see. (Unless of course somebody genuinely believes SNA would have over hauled Frankel in another 1.5 furlongs at York.
) It beats me why, but I get the impression that people still don’t realize how unique this horse was. No horse I’ve watched in my lifetime has given me the impression that it was unbeatable over its optimum trip. Imho Frankel WAS unbeatable over a mile.
He wouldn’t have been beaten even if somebody had unearthed a blue police telephone box with horse transporting facilities.
Greatest flat race horse ever? Absolutely, no question!
Perfectly put as always Hammy. You know you have a tag team partner in me if you ever need one!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I am a Frankelphile – fully paid up member, but I will go to my grave convinced that a mile and a half would have proved beyond even him.
Yes, for me, he just pips The Brigadier as THE outstanding miler, and yes, he may well have proved too strong for the other "best ever" 10 furlong performers – but for anyone to suggest that he would have beaten the Likes of Sea Bird, Mill Reef, Ribot, Dancing Brave or Nijinsky over their best distance is nothing more than mere conjecture.
Any speculation now is pure conjecture including those speculating that he wouldn’t have got the 12 furlong trip in fine style.
My personal conjecture is that this horse didn’t get, or at least excel at 12 furlongs, but that he was so very, very special and so very much head and shoulders above his peers that he’d probably have beaten them comfortably on good ground over 12 furlongs despite it not being his optimum trip. I’m convinced of it.
Another feather in his cap over the weekend I see. (Unless of course somebody genuinely believes SNA would have over hauled Frankel in another 1.5 furlongs at York.
) It beats me why, but I get the impression that people still don’t realize how unique this horse was. No horse I’ve watched in my lifetime has given me the impression that it was unbeatable over its optimum trip. Imho Frankel WAS unbeatable over a mile.
He wouldn’t have been beaten even if somebody had unearthed a blue police telephone box with horse transporting facilities.
Greatest flat race horse ever? Absolutely, no question!
Perfectly put as always Hammy. You know you have a tag team partner in me if you ever need one!
I don’t think you understand Slow hand.Nobody says Frankel was not the best horse ever to race in GB.Which of course he was.They simply state he was not the best 1&1/2 mile horse ever to race in GB.Also not the best sprinter ever to race in GB.Are you getting the picture ?
ooooh I don’t know if I am getting the picture Andy, I’m obviously not as smart as you so could you explain it a bit more, really slowly
thanks in advance
I am a Frankelphile – fully paid up member, but I will go to my grave convinced that a mile and a half would have proved beyond even him.
Yes, for me, he just pips The Brigadier as THE outstanding miler, and yes, he may well have proved too strong for the other "best ever" 10 furlong performers – but for anyone to suggest that he would have beaten the Likes of Sea Bird, Mill Reef, Ribot, Dancing Brave or Nijinsky over their best distance is nothing more than mere conjecture.
Any speculation now is pure conjecture including those speculating that he wouldn’t have got the 12 furlong trip in fine style.
My personal conjecture is that this horse didn’t get, or at least excel at 12 furlongs, but that he was so very, very special and so very much head and shoulders above his peers that he’d probably have beaten them comfortably on good ground over 12 furlongs despite it not being his optimum trip. I’m convinced of it.
Another feather in his cap over the weekend I see. (Unless of course somebody genuinely believes SNA would have over hauled Frankel in another 1.5 furlongs at York.
) It beats me why, but I get the impression that people still don’t realize how unique this horse was. No horse I’ve watched in my lifetime has given me the impression that it was unbeatable over its optimum trip. Imho Frankel WAS unbeatable over a mile.
He wouldn’t have been beaten even if somebody had unearthed a blue police telephone box with horse transporting facilities.
Greatest flat race horse ever? Absolutely, no question!
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ChristopherPHammond/f3e4a08f-c738-437a-8e8b-29a2ee93dd04_zps3a4dd37f.jpg
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OK if you are ready, we will go very slow, remember Sea Bird.if not look him up.good you did that;remember robot, if not look him up good you did that; remember Shergar, if not loook him up , good remember Mill Reef……….. Am I going too fast? Do youy 2want me to continue Najinsky ,Dancing Brave, Dalia,Allez France, Petite Etoile (forgive speeling)Time Charter, Grundy,Sinndar, but a few and of recent vintage Sea the Stars,unbeaten as a three year old.Now on the other side of the pond we have the great Secretariate.I leave out Senyata because of restricted carteer.So if all those horses were in a race of champions over a mile and a half where would Frankel have finished? In the first three? The third best in the world in the history of racing? that would be something to be proud of.
I enjoy Fools’ Day witticisms as much as anyone Andyod but perhaps should point out that you were 2.75 hours plus or minus 1 hour early with yours TRFT, or 10.75 hours plus or minus 1 hour early PDT DST GMT-8 Sacramento time
Andy
The problem you have is that you think every great horse has to win over 12f.
How many of those horses you list, I hadn’t heard of any of them by the way
, would win over 6f or 2 miles? What is the obsession with 12f?Thinking about it I think that Secretariat is probably the greatest of them all.
I think if you insist on a horse having to win at 12f then you should also take it to its extreme and say that they should win at 5f as well to be the ultimate great.
We have a similar issue now with Sprinter Sacre, lets say he puts a run in that puts him on a Timeform rating of 213, but its at 2.5 miles. Would that mean Arkle was better because he won over further?
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