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One of the oldest tipping scams going.
Congrats Mr. Brown.
That’s 52 minutes of my life wasted, by choice of course.
Hopefully it isn’t wasted if it stops the gullible that fraudsters prey on paying for tips
Bet it is to bet on Mardima or something.
Like she didn’t notice the name of the horse on the slip despite looking at it for ages and ages prior to the race.
It’s obvious he put four grand on each of the four runners and gave her the winning slip at the end – but he won’t tell you that, he’ll let you believe he is psychic and his sytsem guarantee’s winners and that he predicted the winner of a four runner race
I wish I’d have got out after 52 minutes, I stayed for the full gig – that’s 59 minutes
Mike
Absolutely, you would look at your betting slip at least once.
He probably fancied 2 horses in a 4 runner race, 50% chance.
Backed both, or simply said, oh looked i backed the winner.
We never saw the betting slip did we.
Strangely enough, the bet is on the "yellow" of a two part slip but he gets paid out at the on course pitch. Mmmmm.
There’s no suggestion that there ever was a winning system btw ~ just that Derren can hoodwink us and then magically turn things around at the end. The thing he tends to prove is how willing we are to be lied to and yet keep believing.
One of the oldest tipping scams going.
Congrats Mr. Brown.
That’s 52 minutes of my life wasted, by choice of course.
Hopefully it isn’t wasted if it stops the gullible that fraudsters prey on paying for tips
I would say it will do the opposite. Guaranteed some scammer has just watched that and will put that system to use to con people. Mr Brown has probably just given a new wave of scammers an idea.
It may well be an old trick, but plenty of wanabee scammers wont have thought or known about it and will now use it.how boring was that , prince monolulu was doing it over 50 years ago , had it sussed very quickly when saw he was’nt giving her winners of 20 runner handicaps , gave her only winners from small fields .
I can’t believe most of you are missing the point. Derren Brown isn’t suggesting he’s psychic – he assumes we are not all so thick that we don’t realise he backed all four horses. The point is that woman wanted to believe and even though she knew she had a losing ticket in her hand, when Derren substituted it she was happy to believe the system still worked. It is a lesson in belief, gullibility and how fraudsters cheat the vunerable.
As for giving fraudsters ideas, it’s such a well used scam that Derren exposing it for what it is can only be beneficial.
p.s. Since this is a horse racing forum…can anybody actually fancy Joe Lively for the R&SA on the basis of that run?
Only if Derren says it’ll win….
Please don’t tell me any of you thought there would actually be ‘a system’ that is flawless and can guarantee a winner.
And even if there were, the variables in racing would not make it a long term proposition, that’s ridiculous.
Anyone with any knowledge of Derren Brown’s ‘act’ knows that, as he puts it, it is a combination of showmanship, misdirection and psychology.
And in this case, convenient phrasing and filming for dramatic purpose.
So anyone watching it saying they feel ‘cheated’ is a bit daft in my book, sorry!
Put it in context for a minute anyone who thinks Derren is a ‘conman’ etc – this is a racing forum. The programme was clearly presented by someone who knew little about racing, designed to interest the general non-racing public for light entertainment purpose on a Friday night over a bottle of wine. Two very different audiences – it was not filmed for the benefit of the racing fan.
He clearly put it in black and white that there is no system whatsoever and got the ending required so that everyone goes away happy.
Sucked me in, I really thought he had a system. Particularly when he made Nevada Royale fall and hamper the Dartnel beast.
I don’t think any of us for one second thought he had a system that worked Zoz
… hence why I was so angry at the beginning that he was claiming to guarantee the winner of every horse race all of the time.
Mike
Technically, he did.
When put into context of the nature of what he was doing, even if that were only explained at a later point.
I don’t think I can honestly point out a specific point at which the viewer was actually lied to.
Aiming to do what he did, he was literally guaranteed a winner – be it horse or final candidate for the show!
Technically, he did.
When put into context of the nature of what he was doing, even if that were only explained at a later point.
I don’t think I can honestly point out a specific point at which the viewer was actually lied to.
Aiming to do what he did, he was literally guaranteed a winner – be it horse or final candidate for the show!
He contacted 7,776 people and told them he had a system that GUARANTEED them a winner – 7,775 people then got a letter to say that there was a glitch with the system when their horse lost
And even the last person was told that Move Over Miami would win, when in fact it didn’t – I don’t know about the viewer being lied to, but those people who got his letter were.
Mike
This is where I beg to differ TC – I don’t think Derren has ever tried to ‘make’ a believer out of anything.
And the vast majority of his viewers would have been people who know of him, not the sport, people who are interested in techniques of his kind of entertainment, psychology etc and so on and so forth, so the horse racing contingent could hardly have expected to be catered for.
If they had been, the majority of the ‘joe public’ viewers would have turned channels over pretty quick
He’s not there to be trusted. He makes this clear by the way he prefaces his ‘Trick of the Mind’ show with an explanation of what he does, and by quite clearly pointing out in the end scenes tonight that what he was doing was nothing more than a cleverly filmed and executed bit of entertainment just like everything else he does.
As for the pin and racecard thing…I’m quite resigned to being stuck with that forever more anyway
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