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Homer my mention of 27% of English voters who didn’t bother their arse,
(I also included Northern Ireland and Wales) was in response to Ginger’s
“Had only the Scottish electorate that did not care or too lazy or could
not get to a polling station all turned up and voted Remain… we’d all still
be in the EU.” This wasn’t the case anyway.I very much agree with you that many people didn’t understand what leaving
meant, who could blame them now when we see the difficulties that the
politicians who dealt with it had. It’s not a question they should have been
asked in the first place.@ He Didn’t like ground
Why do you think we’d be in a worse state with Covid “more deaths and hospitals
still full” if we we were still in the EU? We would have made the same choices
(unfortunately) about containing the virus. Being a member of the EU would not
have worsened our situation.I think what HDLG is saying is if we were still in the EU we would’ve found ourselves compelled to comply with the EU’s vaccine programme. UK was the first country in the world to vaccinate and that would not have been possible under EU. EU also said the way UK’s vaccine authorities tested each vaccine was not safe or at least less safe / not safe enough.
UK sped up the Vaccine programme by doing (think it was) stage 2 and 3 together. ie If something had gone wrong with stage 2 we’d have needed to do stage 3 again… But our gamble paid off. UK also bought the vaccines far sooner than the EU. EU supposedly bought for all its member countries and UK (including Scotland) would’ve been one of them had we not left…
…No doubt “worsening our situation”, BigG.
Value Is EverythingMy point about the number of Scottish electorate voting Leave and not voting is more to do with the fact Scotland is portrayed as extremely pro EU, BigG… And yet most of Scotland’s electorate actually either voted to Leave the EU or didn’t care enough either way to vote…
Which is surely important when considering befair and others saying the UK leaving the EU means Scotland should get another independence referendum. SNP deliberately exaggerate Scotland’s pro EU stance for their own pro indyref2 agenda.
Value Is EverythingBy that rationale, the 2020 general election turnout was just over 60%, and the Tories got just over 40% of that 60%, so have no democratic mandate, tho the injustice of the FPTP system lends them a 70 seat majority (+ no seats in N Ireland and only a few in Scotland).
C’mon Ginge, Scotland is pro Euro. You can’t quote the numbers that
didn’t vote and ignore the 62% remain as opposed to 32% leave that
did, and actually you did say that instead of blaming the English
I should blame my fellow Scots, it was they who made the difference
in the EU referendum. You also said if the ones that didn’t vote
(didn’t care, too lazy or could not get to a polling station) voted,
that we’d all still be in the EU. That’s simply not true.You are right about the vaccine, we did get ahead and I commend
the Government for pushing that through. If that was the point
that HDLG was making then he makes a good point. There are countless
other points through this pandemic where they got it wrong, but that
was important and they did get it right there.I still think we would have been better staying, and as I mentioned that
feeling is quite strong in Scotland. Time will tell, hopefully we can
all get through this pandemic in one piece and then we can see where we go.Thought you might say that, befair. I think the 2019 general election was 67.3%, not 60% and Conservatives got 43.6% not 40… but let you off. FPTP is by no means perfect. No system is, but that’s for another thread.
Although you could say 32.7% of the UK electorate didn’t care enough to vote for the Conservatives, they didn’t care enough to vote against them either. So That fact doesn’t go for or against the Conservatives… And unlike the general election the EU Referendum was a single issue so the point I am trying to make is…
Despite less than 50% of the Scottish electorate voting Remain in the EU Referendum… the SNP portrays Scotland as massively pro EU – effectively counting those who did not vote as being pro EU.
Value Is EverythingWhere do you B’s get your stats? LOL
First befair’s and now you BigG. Yes, it was 62% of those who voted Remain, but 38% Leave not 32%.Yes Scotland is pro EU, but it is nowhere near as much as the SNP portray.
Value Is EverythingHands up Ginge, that’s just a mistake on my part, I’m well
aware it was 38%. My bad
(although I did mention 38% in earlier posts)
We are facing a permanent Tory majority in Westminster, a permanent SNP majority in Scotland, and within a few years, a permanent Sinn Fein majority in N Ireland; a permanent powder-keg,
Exactly my point Ginger regarding being able to get the vaccine out and into high risk arms, it’s going to be interesting to see how many more SNP MPs crossover to Alba , while no doubt the SNP will get back in more than likely it will be with a reduced majority , Nichola will now have a party with the same aims as her headed by a leader much more politically astute than herself , I believe she is now tainted , her legacy marked by poor decisions and an inept attempt at a cover-up , she is at pains to state her aims for improving Scotland ….while in her own constituency the drug problem has escalated out of all proportions
Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026
If Scotland stays with the UK befair, there will be no permanent Conservative majority in the UK and no SNP one in Scotland either. Hopefully the SDLP will stop a permanent Sinn Fein majority too.
Value Is EverythingI voted SDLP for years, until they equivocated on women’s rights, but they are a rump party by now. Sinn Fein have all the resources, all the energy, all the money, and are like the Borg; resistance is futile. And Brexit has been like Xmas for Sinn Fein; just when it seemed we were entering a post-nationalist era, Brexit came along and re-ignited all the old enmities.
You are misinformed Ginger; every major political party in the ROI supports being in the EU. They aren’t pining for the Empire (or Commonwealth) I suppose
It was said with tongue in cheek, befair; although possible it won’t matter what the political parties say if the EU starts insisting on a hard border between North and South and is slow in vaccinating.
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