The most shocking ride of the meeting goes to…………..

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    Paul Carberry. Take a bow son. :negative:

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    burroughill
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    Do you know what? Never mind. It was a fantastic, epic festival, and I refuse to concentrate on negatives. :-)

    I'd like to live in a place where they cordon off swans...
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    When I saw the name of this thread Carberry’s name sprung to mind straight away. Why does he always insist on trying to come from the clouds?

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    Quite a few spring to mind.

    Charlie Poste on Thomas Crapper, AP McCoy on Yanworth, Paul Carberry on Taglietelle, Tom Scudamore on Unanimite. You can see why McCoy is retiring. He had the armchair sit on Uxizandre, but was otherwise incredibly weak in a finish and mistimed several runs. He is riding as if still feeling sore in my opinion.

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    Can’t really see what AP did wrong. :unsure:

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    In the Yanworth ride GT?

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    Ginger, I can only assume that similarly to AP you must have fallen asleep at the crucial stage when he failed to hold his position and lost around five lengths. Ended up fourth on a horse that should have been at worst second. I don’t know if we can say it was the worst ride of the meeting but it was easily the worst on anything I backed.

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    When I saw the name of this thread Carberry’s name sprung to mind straight away. Why does he always insist on trying to come from the clouds?

    No doubt in my mind he was told to sit behind AP, once he saw Ned was’nt going to sluice up he decided to have a go. I’ve got alot of respect for JP and Jonjo but the running of Eastlake today and Rum and butter the other day are simply not on. Rum and butter took up a place in a race that some other trainer/owner would have loved to have. RAB jumping a few fences tailed off – do me a favour.

    As for Wicklow Brave, irish mafia – nothing more / nothing said. Ben Pauling and Jason Maguire get a ban for a low key “schooling” of really dubious nature.

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    Ginger, I can only assume that similarly to AP you must have fallen asleep at the crucial stage when he failed to hold his position and lost around five lengths. Ended up fourth on a horse that should have been at worst second. I don’t know if we can say it was the worst ride of the meeting but it was easily the worst on anything I backed.

    I have no doubt Yanworth was unlucky not to be placed third or even second Stilvi. But with a hold up horse a jockey has no choice but to rely on getting a path through (unless giving ground by going wide). With (as the commentator said) “a wall of horses in front of him” he needs to wait to get a run and/or manoever to get a run. Losing valuable momentum at the same time as leaders are going for home. Admittedly sometimes it is the fault of a jockey picking the wrong horse to follow. It’s not my opinion, but if you think AP should have known and chose wrong – then fair enough. But even if I agreed – find it hard to put such a mistake in the same bracket as having plenty of room, not making a forward move and misjudging pace; Carberry (twice)! Eastlake in particular finished (imo) with running left in him.

    Here’s Yanworth:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwLVzylI3Y

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    Have you seen the reverse angle on the RUK replay GT? It was a baffling brainfade by McCoy, almost as if taking a breather! He had gaps left and right to go for and at least had to ride to hold his position. Instead, with all jockeys around him hard at work and the leaders beginning to make race-winning moves in his eyeline ahead, he sat still and drifted back five or six places into the ruck. Then, despite giving first run to horses including Moon Racer, Yanworth had the gears to get up for fourth.

    I agree that hold-up horses are hostages to fortune in races like that, but Yanworth had plenty of room to escape and make an assault on the leaders if McCoy was willing to send him on.

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    By the way, Brian Cooper must be worth a spot on the list for his performance on Gold Cup day. Using the whip DOUBLE the allowed amount on Road To Riches was very poor, likewise his impulsive dive towards the rail on No More Heroes.

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    Just watched that Eastlake race and rewound it 3 times….I just cannot see where you are coming from? Coming round the bend AP was cruising on Ned Buntline and Carberry and Eastlake were just behind and he was niggling and gave it two cracks while AP was still looking to be travelling better…on first viewing it did look like he had only asked it after the last when it responded but I think he asked it plenty of questions before then….

    Worst for me was Geraghty on The Young Master…and I was on the winner in the race so no pocket talk!

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    Just watched that Eastlake race and rewound it 3 times….I just cannot see where you are coming from? Coming round the bend AP was cruising on Ned Buntline and Carberry and Eastlake were just behind and he was niggling and gave it two cracks while AP was still looking to be travelling better…on first viewing it did look like he had only asked it after the last when it responded but I think he asked it plenty of questions before then….

    Worst for me was Geraghty on The Young Master…and I was on the winner in the race so no pocket talk!

    Eastlake and Ned Buntline are imo two different types of horse. With one that stays 2m4f (on a soft surface) really well – racing in a 2m race, why anchor Eastlake out the back like he was a doubtful stayer? When the pace increased Carberry indeed found himself “niggling”. Does not have the speed of specialist 2 milers. In a race that was not run at a break neck gallop he was always going to be outpaced at some stage before staying on. So why give the horse so much to do in the first place? Much better with a hold up horse that’s proven over further (unless a strong pace) to track leaders or at worst race mid-div. Especially (as we’ve seen) there’s a pace bias this week in favour of those ridden prominently in all but an overly strongly run race.

    Thought TYM’s position in the market exaggerated his chance. May have overdone things a bit, however, BG possibly had in mind not to give Kings Palace an easy lead. Say he did not take Kings Palace on and it was slowly run (not suiting TYM)… would we not have asked why BG didn’t press the leader? Unfortunately found himself outjumped. Although imo beaten far too far out to blame solely tactics and possibly amiss. Why had he been absent since December? :unsure:

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    Just watched that Eastlake race and rewound it 3 times….I just cannot see where you are coming from? Coming round the bend AP was cruising on Ned Buntline and Carberry and Eastlake were just behind and he was niggling and gave it two cracks while AP was still looking to be travelling better…on first viewing it did look like he had only asked it after the last when it responded but I think he asked it plenty of questions before then….

    Worst for me was Geraghty on The Young Master…and I was on the winner in the race so no pocket talk!

    REALLY, giving the winner close on 15 lenghts head start all the way round and getting beat a fast diminishing 4l. The horses best recent run was racing close up, some of its wins have been when its raced prominent / led. I’ll say it again – it was an absolute shocker.

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    Maybe Carberry thought the winner may come back to them after the last like in last years race? Maybe Carberry is just good at getting a good late run out of one? He finished 2nd last year with a late run on Ned Buntline while Eastlake was comfortably beaten back in 6th….there wasn’t that much difference weight wise yesterday…

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