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  • #20081
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Have just come in and am catching up but can find no evidence of any whip bans today, despite one of the ‘worst’ six racing on easy ground – Carlisle.

    2.6 Racecourse: Six racecourses had
    a significantly high rate of whip
    offences to performances – Kelso,
    Hexham, Carlisle, Cheltenham,
    Aintree and Hamilton. Each of these
    has characteristics that could at
    least partly explain this high rate

    In the extended 3m chase, 11 finished, 1 UR, 4 PU. I was restricted to the view of RUK cameras but saw no evidence, in that race, of horses needing to be driven to jump by anything other than a legal slap down the shoulder, hands-on-reins.

    What I did notice was that no rider ‘wasted’ any strokes. Seeing a horse getting a couple of backhanders after a fencing error has been a fairly common sight (and probably a pointless exercise). I think such chastisement will be rare from now on.

    So it is a bit early to draw definite conclusions but my instinct, expressed on other posts in the past 24 hours, that jockeys are quickly adjusting suffered no setbacks today.

    Forecast NH carnage on stiff tracks/soft ground might not arrive at all and I hope the doomsayers will not be disappointed.

    Again, I haven’t seen all coverage/comment on Carlisle but can, so far, see no complaints about lack of competitiveness or excitement.

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #375036
    cormack15cormack15
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    Signs look good for NH racing re- whip compliance.

    Which is great news for UK racing.

    #375040
    PompetePompete
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    Steeps, may you please refain from posting actual facts.

    The ‘End of the Worlders’ will be jumping up and down on their hats, screaming and screaming until they are sick and on their knees praying for a jockeys’ strike.

    Let us show them some compassion.

    #375043
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Steeps, may you please refain from posting actual facts.

    The ‘End of the Worlders’ will be jumping up and down on their hats, screaming and screaming until they are sick and on their knees praying for a jockeys’ strike.

    Let us show them some compassion.

    :D Pinza will be along directly . . .

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #375044
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    Facts. Yes. If you insist. Here’s the

    5 DAY WHIP BAN

    for John Winston at Huntingdon this afternoon:

    The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by John Winston, the rider of PILLAR OF HERCULES (IRE), placed second, from the last hurdle. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had not given his mount time to respond. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Winston for 5 days as follows: Sunday 13, Monday 14, Tuesday 15, Wednesday 16 and Thursday 17 November 2011.

    #375050
    PompetePompete
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    Pinza, as you are keen to talk about facts, wouldn’t he have been called in under the old rules?

    #375051
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Facts. Yes. If you insist. Here’s the

    5 DAY WHIP BAN

    for John Winston at Huntingdon this afternoon:

    The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by John Winston, the rider of PILLAR OF HERCULES (IRE), placed second, from the last hurdle. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had not given his mount time to respond. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Winston for 5 days as follows: Sunday 13, Monday 14, Tuesday 15, Wednesday 16 and Thursday 17 November 2011.

    And was the young 10lb claimer Winston ‘convicted’ for exceeding the 8 strokes decreed in the new rules?

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #375052
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    Thanks for your swift apology and admission that you were wrong about there having been no whip bans today, "Steeps". But that would be a bit "steep" for you, I expect. Don’t bolt your tea, dear heart.

    #375053
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Thanks for your swift apology and admission that you were wrong about there having been no whip bans today, "Steeps". But that would be a bit "steep" for you, I expect. Don’t bolt your tea, dear heart.

    I’ll take it from that the young fella stayed within the new strokes rule :D

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #375057
    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    Total of six hits, four of them delivered in rapid succession giving the horse absolutely no time to respond.

    Would have been a ban under the old rules and absolutely nothing to do with the new whip rules.

    An open and shut case and he deserved the ban.

    #375059
    cormack15cormack15
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    Thank you Paul –

    #375063
    robnorthrobnorth
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    Re thread title…

    eddie case

    just managed to rain on your parade…

    Ho, hum

    #375065
    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    Thank you Paul –

    I have to say we were, initially, surprised with the ban having automatically assumed it was to do with the new whip rules.

    So we replayed the race from the start, waiting for him hit the horse and ready to count, but when we got to the closing stages and began counting, it became obvious what the ban was for and that was subsequently confirmed by the Stipe.

    #375066
    robnorthrobnorth
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    Peter Buchanan got a ban for a similar offence on Pena Dorada at Uttoxeter on Friday. Sentence – Three days due to good behaviour over the previous 12 months.

    #375075
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    Wasn’t it great to see Maurice Linehan, a 10 lb claimer, ride a horse with plenty of "character" to victory at Huntingdon today? Last to first! Hope those who thought it would be impossible for this type of horse to win within the rules TAKE A LOOK!

    You could just feel David Yates squirm with disappointment as he realised Linehan had kept to the rules.

    Well done Maurice!

    value is everything
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