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Have just come in and am catching up but can find no evidence of any whip bans today, despite one of the ‘worst’ six racing on easy ground – Carlisle.
2.6 Racecourse: Six racecourses had
a significantly high rate of whip
offences to performances – Kelso,
Hexham, Carlisle, Cheltenham,
Aintree and Hamilton. Each of these
has characteristics that could at
least partly explain this high rateIn the extended 3m chase, 11 finished, 1 UR, 4 PU. I was restricted to the view of RUK cameras but saw no evidence, in that race, of horses needing to be driven to jump by anything other than a legal slap down the shoulder, hands-on-reins.
What I did notice was that no rider ‘wasted’ any strokes. Seeing a horse getting a couple of backhanders after a fencing error has been a fairly common sight (and probably a pointless exercise). I think such chastisement will be rare from now on.
So it is a bit early to draw definite conclusions but my instinct, expressed on other posts in the past 24 hours, that jockeys are quickly adjusting suffered no setbacks today.
Forecast NH carnage on stiff tracks/soft ground might not arrive at all and I hope the doomsayers will not be disappointed.
Again, I haven’t seen all coverage/comment on Carlisle but can, so far, see no complaints about lack of competitiveness or excitement.
Signs look good for NH racing re- whip compliance.
Which is great news for UK racing.
Steeps, may you please refain from posting actual facts.
The ‘End of the Worlders’ will be jumping up and down on their hats, screaming and screaming until they are sick and on their knees praying for a jockeys’ strike.
Let us show them some compassion.
Steeps, may you please refain from posting actual facts.
The ‘End of the Worlders’ will be jumping up and down on their hats, screaming and screaming until they are sick and on their knees praying for a jockeys’ strike.
Let us show them some compassion.
Pinza will be along directly . . .
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Facts. Yes. If you insist. Here’s the
5 DAY WHIP BAN
for John Winston at Huntingdon this afternoon:
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by John Winston, the rider of PILLAR OF HERCULES (IRE), placed second, from the last hurdle. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had not given his mount time to respond. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Winston for 5 days as follows: Sunday 13, Monday 14, Tuesday 15, Wednesday 16 and Thursday 17 November 2011.
Pinza, as you are keen to talk about facts, wouldn’t he have been called in under the old rules?
Facts. Yes. If you insist. Here’s the
5 DAY WHIP BAN
for John Winston at Huntingdon this afternoon:
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by John Winston, the rider of PILLAR OF HERCULES (IRE), placed second, from the last hurdle. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had not given his mount time to respond. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Winston for 5 days as follows: Sunday 13, Monday 14, Tuesday 15, Wednesday 16 and Thursday 17 November 2011.
And was the young 10lb claimer Winston ‘convicted’ for exceeding the 8 strokes decreed in the new rules?
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Thanks for your swift apology and admission that you were wrong about there having been no whip bans today, "Steeps". But that would be a bit "steep" for you, I expect. Don’t bolt your tea, dear heart.
Thanks for your swift apology and admission that you were wrong about there having been no whip bans today, "Steeps". But that would be a bit "steep" for you, I expect. Don’t bolt your tea, dear heart.
I’ll take it from that the young fella stayed within the new strokes rule
Total of six hits, four of them delivered in rapid succession giving the horse absolutely no time to respond.
Would have been a ban under the old rules and absolutely nothing to do with the new whip rules.
An open and shut case and he deserved the ban.
Thank you Paul –
I have to say we were, initially, surprised with the ban having automatically assumed it was to do with the new whip rules.
So we replayed the race from the start, waiting for him hit the horse and ready to count, but when we got to the closing stages and began counting, it became obvious what the ban was for and that was subsequently confirmed by the Stipe.
Peter Buchanan got a ban for a similar offence on Pena Dorada at Uttoxeter on Friday. Sentence – Three days due to good behaviour over the previous 12 months.
Wasn’t it great to see Maurice Linehan, a 10 lb claimer, ride a horse with plenty of "character" to victory at Huntingdon today? Last to first! Hope those who thought it would be impossible for this type of horse to win within the rules TAKE A LOOK!
You could just feel David Yates squirm with disappointment as he realised Linehan had kept to the rules.
Well done Maurice!
Value Is EverythingThanks for your swift apology and admission that you were wrong about there having been no whip bans today, "Steeps". But that would be a bit "steep" for you, I expect. Don’t bolt your tea, dear heart.
You know exactly the type of whip offence Steeplechasing is talking about Pinza. For you to claim this "frequency" whip ban in your cause is crazy. It is you who should apologise.
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Have just come in and am catching up but can find no evidence of any whip bans today
Boys, once you’ve stopped pulling playground faces, chortling and sucking your gobstoppers, you might care to pull your pants up and note what "Steeps" actually wrote when he started this thread.
No mention of "new rules" at all, just this false claim there’d been no whip bans today.
Surprising though it may seem, I noticed that today’s ban was not a frequency job too, which is why I wouldn’t have claimed it was down to the New Rules had "Steeps" mentioned them. So stop that giggling at the back and pay attention.
Incidentally though … having watched the race it is arguable that the ban – which may or may not have resulted in a similar punishment under the "old rules" as he might have been only cautioned for misuse – was in fact caused by the boy’s fear of flouting the stroke-count. He kept his powder dry but used too many on the run-in.
So in that sense (though this was not "Steeps" initial crow) he’d be right if he admitted not only that he was quite wrong in his opening claim, but also that the "new rules" played their part in the ban he failed to spot.
What’s that I see outside Pinza Castle.. could it be "Steeps" going backwards on his bicycle, back-pedalling furiously?
Pinza will be along directly . . .
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