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Aidan, you know as well as me, there was no way Dubawi was  going to run any ground that was quicker than good
As was similar with George Washington who needed good ground at the least?!
and that includes two/three or whatever horses from the same stable
Completely agree, as in Hawk Wing versus ROG, Hawk Wing verus High Chaparral, ROG versus Landseer.
In truth I would prefer if a decision on GW or HN was made earlier but this idea that Ballydoyle/O’Brien are the only ones that mislead or take the public for a ride is simply not true. There was absolutely no difference between this Dewhurst and that of the equally sporting Godolphin decision made before the St James Stakes.<br>
(Edited by Aidan at 7:54 pm on Oct. 16, 2005)
Quote: from Aidan on 7:53 pm on Oct. 16, 2005[br]
As was similar with George Washington who needed good ground at the least?!
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Aidan, c’mon, GW battered Global Wings on Yieling ground
World of a difference winning a maiden on the ground than taking on Group 1 horses. Indeed Dubawi won his maiden on Good to Firm ground so why didnt he run on fast ground at York? GW’s pedigree, action and racing style says he would favour much faster ground.
(Edited by Aidan at 8:10 pm on Oct. 16, 2005)
Going strike rates
Danehill
Hvy 23%<br>Soft 15%<br>G/S 17%<br>Good 18%<br>G/F 13%<br>Firm 19%
Bordighera
Soft 100%<br>Good 40%<br>G/F 25%
<br>Not an exact science, you’d say he should handle cut easily enough, which he’s proven as stated earlier
GW definately does not want to race on slow ground especially at 7furlongs at this stage of his career. The horse flew over to Newmarket that morning, they clearly were willing and keen to run him but felt conditions were not suitable.
So trackside, Aidan
Won on GD, GD, GF YLD (offical decriptions)
Beaten GF
Tells us he needs faster ground to be at his best
Quote: from Aidan on 8:13 pm on Oct. 16, 2005[br]The horse flew over to Newmarket that morning, they clearly were willing and keen to run him (GW) but felt conditions were not suitable.
<br>I don’t think that that is fair to say that they were keen to run him Aidan, it was obvious that they would only run one in the race so if the ground was fine for GW, then they would have withdrawn HN.
If this continues, will we eventually see "coupling" in Britain and Ireland?
And I do agree with you that it is very similar to St James Palace Stakes, I’m not just bashing AOB here.
newmarket is a funny one given how quickly it can drain, hard to judge ground until the day i would suggest
Maybe after GW’s last race it was a combination of distance and ground rather than just ground that was the concern (if that makes sense). fair to say 7f may be too much at this stage still….
Beaten on GF going first time out over 5f! Ran green and had a troubled passage. You suggesting now he needs an ease?!
I’m suggesting that the Ground on saturday was perfectly reasonable for GW to race on
It is you who are stating he is gound dependant
I think what is clear from O’Briens interview was the timing of the race. They really didnt want to run him on slow ground at the end of a long season (been on the go along time for a 2 year old). They wanted good fast ground (as they stated all week) they did not get it so they did not run.
I missed the interview, but if that is what his trainer stated, they think he’s ground dependant like Dubawi was<br>
As a three year old (say in the Guineas) I have no doubt they would run him on that sort of ground but we are unlikely to see him at his very best until he races on fast ground.
Simply at the end of a long season they did not want to retire him for the season with a hard race in slow ground. He is a two year old, only a baby he should be looked after at this stage of his career. We have seen in previous years Ballydoyle three year olds are not wrapped in cotton wool.
I find it interesting a horse that everyone knows needs decent gound, Rakti, runs, and that a horse that is supposed to be at his best on decent, GW, does not, but they could be saving him, or they could have run the better horse
IMHO they ran the better horse
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Rakti is coming to the end of his career, he does not have many more opportunities to run, indeed he has one more race and he is done.
Whereas George Washington has his how career ahead of him. Makes perfect sense not to over stretch him at this stage in his career.
Plus the decision to run Rakti was hardly justified on reflection.
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