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I backed Alexandrova in the fillies mile, but should have been beaten a lot more than a short head, as fallon had fortune blocked in for most of the race so he had to go another way around. <br>In terms of the others not being talked up – aussie rules has started all 4 starts as favourite and is by the same sire as GW and HN. Marcus Andronikus definitely had hype as started the Coventry stakes as 2nd fav and was 2nd fav for the guineas at one stage as well.
Rumplestiltskin has now delivered on her promise, and admittedly the others werent exactly stuck into group 1 company as odds on favs, but they have been put into group 2 or 3 races, and performed well below what their form and other things suggest.
That means in 6 Group 1s, which largely revolve around 2yos, which Ballydoyle is renowned for having brilliant ones, he has not had a winner in 6
After conveniently leaving out the 2 G1 wins in France…
I’d put HN’s defeat yesterday to being in the wrong place when it was time to make a run.
Why he was there, is up to the individual to decide (jockey error, bad luck, lack of ability).
the fact that eddie ahern was booked to ride horatio initially suggested they would only run one
He wasn’t just booked, he was declared to riide the horse.
I don’t know the rules on jockey changes in a race, but I do remember the stooshie kicked up when Fallon replaced a claimer on a gambled on horse in a minor race a couple of years ago.
And rightly so.
For example, how would you feel if, 2 hours before the race, you had laid 5-1 about a chaser to be ridden by Tom Scudamore only to find that, come race time, Ruby Walsh had the ride and the horse was now, as a result, showing at 5-2?
Maybe someone knows the rules about this.
Steve
I don’t know the rules on jockey changes in a race, but I do remember the stooshie kicked up when Fallon replaced a claimer on a gambled on horse in a minor race a couple of years ago.
<br>Above was at Brighton when an unknown apprentice failed to appear for his pre-booked ride on a Mark Wallace horse (apparently stuck in traffic or lost on the motorway) and Fallon took the winning ride after a gamble
(Edited by Lingfield at 11:32 am on Oct. 16, 2005)
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"I don’t know the rules on jockey changes in a race, but I do remember the stooshie kicked up when Fallon replaced a claimer on a gambled on horse in a minor race a couple of years ago".
<br>Above was at Brighton when an unknown apprentice failed to appear for his pre-booked ride on a Mark Wallace horse (apparently stuck in traffic or lost on the motorway) and Fallon took the winning ride after a gamble
(Edited by Lingfield at 11:32 am on Oct. 16, 2005)<br>
I don’t think you could say "out of form" personally. Four Gp1 victories is pretty good going. The Arc don’t count, how could one call it ‘dissapointing’ to not win the Arc LOL O’Brien would need arrogance of the highest calibre to make a statement like that. Virginia Waters seems to have not recaptured her early season form (Maids Causeway also?) Mullins Bay is basically a handicapper whilst Oratorio has nothing to prove. He’s done his work for the year with an Eclipse and Irish Champion.<br>Horatio Nelson was unlucky in running, which can happen to the best of them. I think that the majority of races that he could win, he did indeed win.
I must admit I didn’t realise just how highly regarded George Washington is. I mean, for Aidan O’Brien to say he is the best two year old he’s ever trained is a very big statement considering the juvenile’s he’s trained in the past like Johanesburg, Hawk Wing, Rock Of Gibralter & Fasliev.
I wonder if he’ll have a runner in the Breeder’s Cup Juvenile this year.
Above was at Brighton when an unknown apprentice failed to appear for his pre-booked ride on a Mark Wallace horse (apparently stuck in traffic or lost on the motorway) and Fallon took the winning ride after a gamble
That was the one.
And the main grumble was that the gamble started in the morning (ie before the claimer could get lost on the way there) so it looked like the jockey switch was deliberate.
Steve
TDK…hear, hear. I’ve nothing against O’Brien either. He’s a fine trainer whose stunning early record earned him the opportunity to train these blue-bloods and he’s making a good job of it. He comes across as a decent person, too. But what happened yesterday was quite unnecessary.
It’s a bit disingenuous of Aidan to point out that nobody was saying anything about the Rakti situation. Rakti was either going to run or he wasn’t. If a punter fancied him he could back the horse and get his money back if he didn’t run. If he fancied something against Rakti he could back it and accept there may be a Rule 4 deduction but what about the punter wanting a bet on the Dewhurst who, for example, fancied Opera Cape to beat George Washington but not to beat Horatio Nelson? How could he have a bet on the race in the morning? For every one of us betting on our computers there are loads of punters who still go in a betting shop on a Saturday morning and bet in cash while out shopping with the wife and they’re entitled to some consideration as well. As TDK points out, the weather yesterday was settled and the state of the going was well-known. It’s all very well saying these people owe the punter no consideration but it’s very dangerous for anyone involved in racing to overlook the people who do a lot to keep the show on the road (and trainers in Mercs).
Quote: from thedarkknight on 5:04 pm on Oct. 16, 2005[br]It was quite obvious that the ground would be riding somewhere between good and good-soft and there was simply no need for all the messing around,
Correct tdk, and both horses handle those conditions, so if GW is better, why not run him ?
As TDK points out, the weather yesterday was settled and the state of the going was well-known.
Then why did Jarvis wait to after the first race to announce it if it was that obvious?
If were going to comment on sporting connections etc why no mention of Godolphin. Echo Of Light was well fancied by many to win…..shame they informed no one that he was there as a pacemaker. So thats why Frankie choose Layman…
(Edited by Aidan at 5:44 pm on Oct. 16, 2005)
Aidan, I’m not defending Jarvis, just pointing out that Rakti’s situation wasn’t quite the same as GW/HN.
Just because oithers have done it (to lesser extents I would suggest…Dubawi was out at start of the card) doesnt excuse it aidan….
Im less bothered than some, but TDk has a good point regarding punters
Waht I find curious is why the reluctance to run GW. Ground seemed ok…and if he is "best 2 year old ever trained" surely if fit and well, this wasa prize worth grabbing (to say the least)
Empty P explain to me the difference in the two cases. Dubawi and Shamardal both declared for the St James York and the trainer stating only one would run. A decision was not made until around 12pm that day? How is that different other than the connections?
Aidan, you know as well as me, there was no way Dubawi was going to run any ground that was quicker than good
Personally i don’t care what Ballydoyle, Godolphin etc do, all i want to see is top class horses take each other on, and that includes two/three or whatever horses from the same stable
Instead of playing the breeding game, they should be playing the racing game and let the progeny speak as to their breeding prowess
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