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The Cheltenham 2022 winners that will NEVER win again – who are they?

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    The Cheltenham 2022 winners that will NEVER win again – who are they?

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    How can anyone know? :unsure:

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    I feel dirty saying this but Coole Cody ….I’m off to wash my hands

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    Knowing my luck it will be Brazil, given how much money he cost me!

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    Bob Olinger.

    We’re all assuming there was something amiss with him at Cheltenham but if there wasn’t, he doesn’t jump well enough to make a top class chaser in open company.

    He definitely isn’t slick enough for a drop to two miles; he doesn’t shape as though he’ll stay three; and, even though the intermediate division lacks strength in depth, can anybody see him beating Allaho?

    And even if they do find that there is a physical problem, who’s to say that he’ll ever recapture his best form? 🤔

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    Agree Glad. I can see Bob Olinger becoming another Envoi Allen. Difficult to place and trip-less.

    If he wins another Grade 1, it will be a soft small field contest like the one Envoi Allen won at Leopardstown over Christmas. Very difficult to see him winning any of the three Grade 1s at the festival.

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    It makes sense to start with the older handicappers but Coole Cody was a decent hurdler and his hurdles mark is 12lb below his chase mark. I could see him winning a Pertemps qualifier.

    Chambard is 10 and has gone up 32lb in the weights this season but Venetia does well with older horses and might yet sneak a veteran’s chase or two.

    Global Citizen…hmm. Not sure. He’s 10. Maybe a small field hurdle somewhere.

    Commander of Fleet is 8- younger than I thought- and only went up 4lb for his narrow victory. He’s also still a novice over fences and has some stamina in his pedigree and back class (split Minella Indo and Allaho in the Albert Bartlett) so could be one to go novice chasing over the summer, try the autumn Nationals and the NH chase if he learns to jump better than he did on his sole try.

    Fred Winter horses sometimes do nothing but Brazil has the scope to defy his 5lb rise and his Flat mark is a steal now as well.

    Mares- also got to wonder when they’ll leave the racecourse for their 2nd career. Honeysuckle staying on another year. Elimay is 8, so might, but is entered in a mares chase over her trip at Fairyhouse that she ought to win. Love Envoi is unbeaten and bound to win more I would think.

    I’m going to say Marie’s Rock. She got a 7lb rise for beating Queen’s Brook on ground that didn’t suit the latter. I’m sure she could be found a small field mares’ hurdle on good ground but she’s had two lots of wind surgery and some other issues I think, and not the steadiest of temperaments. I think she could just go off the boil and game over.

    I’m also going to stick my neck out and say the horse who won the Betfair by 22 lengths and the Gold Cup by 15 lengths. He doesn’t like going right handed and also trainers like to stick to a winning formula, so that kind of ties him into the same route. If Haydock is a bog he might not like it. He ought to get decent ground at Leopardstown but he’ll have opposition; and then it is hard to win back to back gold cups. He could win the Bowl, but probably not if he has a hard race in the gold cup.

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    They could all win again. Even the older ones can go to the veteran chases if they want and pick up wins there.

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    Corach Rambler raised eight pounds after his Ultima win won’t find life too easy in staying handicaps.
    Lucinda is pretty shrewd though and she might get him in the right race.

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    Corach will still be winning races , most prob the Scot nat

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    I don’t know the sectionals but…
    Corach Rambler is in all probability better than the winning distance suggests and therefore better than his new mark. If looking at how each horse ran, all the principles made their move sooner than Corach. ie Although some of the first five raced midfield or held up early on; none bar the winner made much ground from around 4 out… Indeed Corach had plenty to do from 3 out. If it was Corach who had positional advantage you’d expect others in the first five to have come from the rear too.

    Also as HDLG implies, although the horse showed plenty of speed, there is a chance he’ll improve again over further.

    Obviously handicappers do find it more difficult to win than Grade 1 best of the bests, but Corach Rambler is imo a handicap chase winner with a good chance of winning again if his temperament holds.

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