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I am a big fan of the Kinks but musically they don’t have anything like the depth of the Beatles.
The Beach Boys however are a different kettle of fish. Brian Wilson is one of those to whom the label ‘genius’ can be justly applied and, for me, they would rank closer to the Beatles than the Rolling Stones in the pantheon of greats. The Kinks would struggled for a top ten placing.
As for Sex Pistols Vs Joy Division. Tricky one that. These days I’d much rather sit and listen to Closer than Never Mind The Bollocks BUT Pretty Vacant was a song that changed my life so it’s tricky.
The Clash or The Jam? Now that is a really tough call.
Of the 60’s bands, The Doors were hugely innovative – more so than any other band apart from The Beatles, I’d say.
Although I highlighted The Kinks, and still rate them very highly, I do ( I must reiterate ) prefer The Beatles.
Sex Pistols ( although I did buy the debut album back in the day; and it is verygood ) V Joy Division.
Don’t even go there.
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Of the 60’s bands, The Doors were hugely innovative – more so than any other band apart from The Beatles, I’d say.
Agreed more-or-less. Love ’em to death
There was an excellent BBC4 documentary recently on Jim Morrison, by the remaining members of the group amongst others, with much emphasis on the jaw-dropping reception the ground-breaking eponymous first album received.
Like the Beatles, they produced a rapid succession of top-notch albums and the music therein remains fresh and undated
As for The Jam mentioned by Cormack, can’t say I went too overboard about them though will always have a soft spot for them thanks to the truly wunnerful acoustic version of ‘That’s Entertainment’ and in particular the line:
two lovers missing the tranquility of solitude
… and with which song did The Doors blatantly rip-off one of The Kinks’ 60s hit?
plagiarists !
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‘All Day and All of the Night’ or ‘You Really Got Me’ – both either or neither
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Funny the Doors should crop up. ‘Touch Me’ was on Radio yesterday and it’s a pretty clever piece of music. They were a very good band.
The Kinks…
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from a Teenybopper’s perspective – therefore nothing to do with technical merit here:-
I bought all the Stones and Beatles singles from ’63 to about ’68. The Beatles were more parent friendly I think, nice clean cut image managed by control freak Brian Epstein, whereas the Stones had young Andrew Loog Oldham who I remember fancying a little, he seemed like the group, a bit more wild.
Adults didn’t seem to object to The Beatles whereas The Stones, it was something like ”what is the world coming to?”…with stomping Jagger on Top of the Pops, long haired, effeminate and with a suspicion of make up….we just hadn’t had this before as kids, having suffered Sunday Nights at the London Palladium, Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson, or a young Helen Shapiro all the rage, otherwise just Cliff and the Shadows…well Cliff, not bad if a little weird, or Elvis but he seemed a bit old for me.
The Beach Boys promised something from a far off place none of us were ever likely to see, like 77 Sunset Strip….
I preferred The Hollies….or The Searchers…As for the early music, Love Me Do and Please Please Me were all cute enough but ‘Come On’ ‘I Wanna Be Your Man’ which both groups did, and ‘Not Fade Away’ seemed to be more what I was looking for and then the Stones really took off with ‘It’s All Over Now” and ‘The Last Time’ whereas the Beatles were still churning out ‘She Loves You [yeah, yeah yeah’], or ‘Ob la di Ob la da’….well I know which I preferred.
Most of my contemporaries, shockingly underage, I think would have dropped their drawers for any or all of the two groups, but only Paul McCartney’s photo found it’s way to my bedroom wall.
Marianne Faithfull, who many of us wanted to look and be like, shocked me with her fur coat and drugs escapade with Keith Richards and that put me right off her…..and I felt there was nothing worse too than a drug stoned ‘Stone’…By 1970 I was finished with the lot of them, John Lennon had mophed into Yoko Ono and Paul got married to someone I’d never heard of, so I was ready for glam rock and the arrival of ‘Abba’, who I would think would compare favourably to either group, if more for women than men.
Other highlights of the time:-
Radio’s Caroline and Luxembourg, Jimmy Saville and Tommy Vance… Ready Steady Go….Anita Londesborough, Ann Packer, and if you recall any showjumping which my parents always seemed to have on the t.v…..Vibart [ooh…aah]……Merely A Monarch, Sunsalve [David Broome], Beethoven [Eddie Macken], The Rock [Piero d’Inzero]…so many more…Marion Coakes/Stroller….The Byrds, Nashville Teens, PJ Proby, Billy Fury…..Anselmo?…
those were the days…. we thought they’d never endI remember Vibart and his ‘kick back’. Also remember wearing a black armband when the pirates were banned; that was a sad day. Did all the hippy stuff..giving flowers to people in the street..that’s when I dropped out to Cornwall. Unfortunately I dropped back in again. Seems like another lifetime, now.
…indeed it does but strangely I find it easier to recall events then, than I can remember what happened yesterday….
…my parents always loved old Vibart.
I don’t remember the armband business you mention….I think you embraced the period rather well by the sound of thingsSimply cant have Abba at all UM. Catchy tunes but daft lyrics and that cold cold cold euro pop sound
If there was agroup to compare in that bracket it would be the Bee gees who i would definately prefer on many levels
….squeaky voiced Bee Gee’s didn’t do a lot for me apart from ‘Massachusetts’ and ‘I’ve Gotta Get a Message To You’ which I remember playing over and over and I absolutely loved, but tired of this group very quickly from then on.
Obviously as stated before this is from a different angle and if they didn’t appeal sexually, to be frank, they didn’t survive long in my fascination at that time, and no offence intended but Robin was seriously unappealing and Barry looked like a girl in my class…such are the whims of teenage girls I’m afraid.
now, Abba I would have thought in the top 5 groups of the past 50 years surely, even if they didn’t appeal to you personally, but yes all a bit Eurovision but again, I liked some of that stuff.
for a modern audience Take That or The Backstreet Boys must be regarded as up there too, not that they appealed to me in any way.
thinking about this, I can only think of one major artist who successfully consistently developed break new ground and quickly left behind one sound or theme before moving onto another, in the same way that the beatles did over and over again
Thats what stands out. Even when exprimenting, their identity and genius was always there. Practically every other group or artist ploughed a relatively narrow furrow
The artist im thinking of is miles Davis. But over a much longer period of time it should be said.
…talking of single artists, in that vein, don’t you think Michael Jackson did all that, and a whole lot more besides?
No no no no no…
Please dont compare Jacko with miles
Much as i love black music, there are two things to know about Jackson.
He was startlingly unproductive, releasing about as many albums in 25 years as the Beatles did in two.
His greatest success was simply Quincy jones brilliantly inspired proudction with rod Templeman tunes.
Jackson was a performer. Good one, but nothing more
And Dont Stop til you get enough is one of the truely great singles
Not even a contest. Joy Division – by a country mile.
THE BEATLES OR THE ROLLING STONES 
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