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I suspect Golden Horn will miss it now for the reasons you say, David. I doubt he’d be as inconvenienced too much by a bit of cut and he’s almost certainly better the farther he goes. But I wouldn’t blame connections, despite my 20/1 voucher, if they decided not to risk his hopefully still unbeaten record on proper soft ground.
He looked to me yesterday as though his back end has not yet developed to the extent his front has. I saw a definite physical change in him since the Derby. Whether that imbalance affected his action, I don’t know. I got the impression he wasn’t enjoying himself in the way he has in previous races. The ground should not have troubled him, but I’ve a feeling he was not at his best for some physical reason.
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I’m surprised Ampere hasn’t been mooted for this yet.He’s unbeaten but has a lot of improvement to make from his Group 3 win over Cape Clear Island. The O’Brien horse stank the place out on his next two starts.
Mind you, with a name like that his next performance could be electric and he’ll then be the current favourite. I doubt he’ll be Ohm and hosed though
Jack Hobbs at 10/1 would be my main bet at this stage and Snow Sky at 25/1 might end up a bit of value, considering he’s favourite for the King George and perhaps a fair bit improved this season.
Ampere is entered in the Grand Prix De Paris on Tuesday. A small field of six are entered for the race, with Irish Derby runner up Storm The Stars having been supplemented. Balios and Archangel Raphael make up the overseas trio, whilst Ampere, Silverwave (bit disappointing latest) and Erupt aim to keep the prize on home soil.
Ampere would need to win this reasonably well to stake a realistic claim for the Arc, with Golden Horn and Jack Hobbs already having proven their superiority over the Haggas star.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
FREE EAGLE at 12/1 am on only worry is no 1m4 form he got as next race be 1m2 at champion stakes
Arc trials tomorrow…
Prix Niel – New Bay vs Erupt
Prix Vermeille – Treve vs Arabian Queen
Prix Foy – Postponed vs DolniyaIn my opinion, they look a little more intriguing than usual. In fact, the entire card looks bloody marvellous!
This guy is a machine. All he does is work out and pick winners. Talk about fit. You should see him without his shirt off, serious side of beef.
Even though she’d need supplemented, I think it’s worth a small stake bet on Arabian Queen at 70 for The Arc. Until her defeat of GH is proved a fluke, she is easily entitled to the benefit of the doubt, I think
New Bay slapped his nuts on the table. Treve decided to stamp on ’em!! Wait, there’s another trial…who cares after that?! She is a freak, in the most beautiful sense of the word.
New Bay looks a more serious Arc type than Golden Horn to these eyes. The aforementioned duo look a step above everything else.
This guy is a machine. All he does is work out and pick winners. Talk about fit. You should see him without his shirt off, serious side of beef.
I think we saw today that it was a fluke Joe.
I think people may be getting carried away with Treve. Yes she looks magnificent but she was 2/5 today and Arabian Queen proved no opposition. Today’s runner up came into the race rated 23lbs inferior to Treve on Racing Post Ratings. Wouldn’t we be expecting a horse rated that much better to win with their head in their chest?
I said back on June 3 that Treve looked fair value at 5/1 and she surely was, but odds on after today looks a bit skinny to me and I wouldn’t be entertaining her new odds.
Postponed won by three parts of a length in a time more than a second faster and New Bay won his trial in a time a second slower than Treve and two seconds slower than Postponed. Both these colts clearly like soft ground but I wonder how they will cope if France ever gets a bit of decent ground this season?
New Bay’s win from Highland Reel doesn’t look that special in retrospect I prefer the look of Golden Horn and Jack Hobbs, whichever one turns up. It doesn’t seem that Gosden will let both take their chance and he seemed keen on Golden Horn maintaining his superiority if the two clashed.
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I said back on June 3 that Treve looked fair value at 5/1 and she surely was, but odds on after today looks a bit skinny to me and I wouldn’t be entertaining her new odds.
Wait to see the odds when she gets given the plum draw and Golden Horn gets the car park spot.
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I said back on June 3 that Treve looked fair value at 5/1 and she surely was, but odds on after today looks a bit skinny to me and I wouldn’t be entertaining her new odds.
Wait to see the odds when she gets given the plum draw and Golden Horn gets the car park spot.
No doubt New Bay will get a peach of a box as well.
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This isn’t a betting race for me, but treve looks imperious.
She doesn’t half show a turn of foot over 1m4f. I don’t think a any horse in training can keep up with it. I think this is going to be a cracking race and i don’t want any monetary decision I’ve made clouding my view. I literally just want to be a fan of the sport for this.
I see they have added a length and a half to Treve’s Prix Vermeille victory today due to technical error, not that it matters much in terms of form. There seems to be a lot of talk about how her time was slower than that of Postponed in the group 2 race later that day (I think Oppenheimer mentioned it as well). She was hardly pushed to her limit and it was her first race for 77 days in a race where the fractions could have been muddling. I don’t think this can be used as a negative.
Best price evens at the minute. I’ll probably just watch.I see they have added a length and a half to Treve’s Prix Vermeille victory today due to technical error, not that it matters much in terms of form. There seems to be a lot of talk about how her time was slower than that of Postponed in the group 2 race later that day (I think Oppenheimer mentioned it as well). She was hardly pushed to her limit and it was her first race for 77 days in a race where the fractions could have been muddling. I don’t think this can be used as a negative.
Best price evens at the minute. I’ll probably just watch.Before watching the replay of Air Force Blue in the National Stakes on Sunday I actually caught the result on At The Races. The ATR result page for the race gave Air Force Blue as winning by 3/4 of a length. As I watched the race I was waiting for the time where Air Force Blue was dramatically eased, or Herald The Dawn sprouted wings. Gee whiz, it was three lengths he won by and you need to wonder about some people.
I agree that the times for Sunday’s trials will have little or no impact on the outcome of the Arc. Anyone backing Postponed on the heads of a faster race is barking up the wrong stopwatch.
In athletics the runners are on near identical tracks, with near identical conditions for every race. A wealth of established record times for the various distances can be traced back for many years. If a 100m runner with a personal best of 10.2 meets a runner with a personal best of 10.0 and both are healthy, it is as certain as Christmas that the runner with the faster time will prevail at a near 100% strike rate. Nothing similar exists in horse racing, far too many factors make it a far from exact science in my opinion. Going, stable form, jockey error, bad luck, track conformation, draw all play a part and even some of what we think we can trust in those variables is often proved erroneous in retrospect.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I see they have added a length and a half to Treve’s Prix Vermeille victory today due to technical error, not that it matters much in terms of form. There seems to be a lot of talk about how her time was slower than that of Postponed in the group 2 race later that day (I think Oppenheimer mentioned it as well). She was hardly pushed to her limit and it was her first race for 77 days in a race where the fractions could have been muddling. I don’t think this can be used as a negative.
Best price evens at the minute. I’ll probably just watch.If the ground turns up soft, i think Treve should go off very short. I would take her on with Golden Horn on genuinely fast ground
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postponed wont be running
Pretty sorry state of affairs. You have a King George winner, who wins one of the Arc trials and then you won’t have him in the Arc because you are in the process of throwing your toys out of the pram.
OK he was 16/1 and an unlikely winner in a hot looking renewal with an odds-on favourite but it’s not often you even get there with one with half a chance, so these are precious opportunities to throw away for the sake of pride or whatever.
Surely any split could have been left until after the Arc, or the end of the flat season and then allowed for a clean start next year. It shows that money and wisdom, power and humility do not always go hand in hand.
Roger Varian is, unsurprisingly and probably wisely, saying very little.
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its a mess steve,as you say had a little bit to find to win it,but could well have run into a place.
I will say it again(lol) a strange strange decision.I know it is an owners right to do whatever he likes with his horses but to move them lock, stock and barrel to another trainer at this stage of the game without any explanation given is bizzare in the extreme.
This whole affair smacks of something deeper going on behind the scenes – the owner has had horses with Cumani since 1997 and he has had no other horses with any other trainer since early 2000. It makes me think that there is a personal issue that maybe Cumani is either unaware of or simply doesn’t walk to talk about period. Given that the owner has made no further comment at all, it is highly likely that the actual reason will never be made known to the general public.
With all of that going on, it is not really all that surprising that he will not be lining up in the Arc as the horse will have only just moved into his new stables and to expect him to run immediately thereafter would not be fair to the horse, the fact that he would really struggle to get in the first five is probably of no relevance to the decision made.
Instead, I wonder if they are considering the BC Turf as an alternative as it gives the horse more time to settle into his new surroundings and the ground will likely be a fair bit quicker, which I think would suit him more than soft ground would.
Just a sad state of affairs all round really.
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