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Jack,
Not good enough – I read Smithy’s reply fine and I was writing my reply at the same time – not sure what he edited but it wasn’t crucial.
If you can’t name the horses by German stallions that have won the Breeders Cup Turf, Coronation Cup, the Falmouth, the French Derby, the Arlington Million, the Dubai Duty Free and have been placed in the Arc then I strongly suggest that you do some research before spouting off on the strength or otherwise of German bloodlines.
You’ve given plenty of evidence – unfortunately:
a) You’re still wrong. Shirocco’s fee would be higher in Germany – however that is not where he will be standing.  He would not be a success at a higher price in Ireland.  Location, location, location.
b) German racing is not as strong as UK/Ire/Fr, but that was never in question.  It has, however, improved radically on the international scene over the last 10 years, and you have been given plenty of evidence to that effect.  Not sure that your suggested method of evaluation is a valid one. Why don’t you have a look at the record of the last 10 Epsom Derby winners too?
c) No-one was querying that US turf racing is weaker overall.  However, this does not mean that their Grade One races are worthless, especially those that attract international competition.
d) Good – although I’m not quite sure why you needed to argue this in the first place.
And I wouldn’t ridicule you, if you didn’t sometimes talk utter rubbish and refuse to take on board basic arguments.  You also use the unpleasant tactic of changing the subject – you challenge wit’s population comments, but leave alone his valid comment about Shirocco’s fee, even though that is what the thread is about.
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J,
I’m not sure where this is going, but:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>So 300 million people could live in Britain then Wit?<br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Britain is 244,110 sq km and currently has a population density of 251 per sq km.
For Britain to house 300 million people would mean a population density of 1,250 per sq km.
Most London boroughs are already upwards of 5,000 per sq km, and six of them are over 10,000 per sq km:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/ … RS_Lon.pdf
So…1,250 per sq km….Uncomfortable, yes.  Impossible, no. ÂÂÂ
<br>best regards
wit
And what jobs would they get?
Have you heard of the unemployed?
They are people that don’t have jobs. And about 60 million people live here. So add 240 million to that number of unemployed persons.
Good investment of time by you. Top stuff.
People take stuff too literally on here.
Should, could, whatever. It doesn’t matter which one you use. It is an OPINION.
You go round saying ‘they could’, ‘you could’, etc
People will call you Worzel Gummidge for sitting on too many fences.
J,
I’m not the one suggesting they all come here – you came up with that idea.
For someone who wants to be a professional writer, I fear you’re too sloppy in your thinking and too sloppy in your use of language.
Cure that, start saying what you mean and you may end up feeling less persecuted when others take you to mean what you say.
best regards
wit
Quote: from jackane24 on 9:55 pm on Oct. 27, 2006[br]So 300 million people could live in Britain then Wit?
Yes, I am clearly suggesting that the Yanks should all come and live here.
It’s just so obvious. I mean it’s written there in black and white.
So if someone is jumping on me for saying the Yanks should all come and live here, then why has no-one jumped on the forumite that said Sir Percy is a sprinter because he won over 6f?
Now, a bit of a stab in the dark, but here’s my take on it.
In this instance, because it was a HYPOTHETICAL comment.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical
In my instance, because my rhetorical (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetorical%20question)question was SARCASTIC.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm
People may also want to have a look at the definition of…
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lighten%20up
(Edited by jackane24 at 4:43 am on Oct. 28, 2006)
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Jackane
Don’t take on so!<br> If everyone agreed with everything everyone else said, it wouldn’t be much of a forum, would it? <br>You are as entitled to your views as others are to criticise them, but learn to roll with the punches, otherwise you will talk your way off this forum as others have recently, and imo that would be an unnecessary waste of your youth and enthusiasm.:o
Glad to see that you eventually found the dictionary btw. (Joke – honest!).<br>
And once again with ignoring the real discussion and focussing only on the arguments you feel you can win….
I’ve given evidence of why German racing is weak. I’ll happily go through the past 10 German Derby winners and have a look-see what they’ve done outside of their country.
And then go through the last 10 Epsom Derby winners and tell us what that says about British racing …
What did the British-trained winners do after Epsom?
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 8:29 am on Oct. 28, 2006)
Quote: from stevedvg on 8:29 am on Oct. 28, 2006[br]I’ve given evidence of why German racing is weak. I’ll happily go through the past 10 German Derby winners and have a look-see what they’ve done outside of their country.
And then go through the last 10 Epsom Derby winners and tell us what that says about British racing …
What did the British-trained winners do after Epsom?
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 8:29 am on Oct. 28, 2006)<br>
Steve,
Don’t forget that we have already been told that Rule Of Law, Alamshar et al are the real Derby winners.
Returning the thread to the subject of Godolphin I personally am very disappointed that Godolphin have not enjoyed more success this year. As a small ( 6 broodmare) English breeder I am very appreciative of the enormous input Darley make in to the health of UK racing. They are always courteous , helpful and deal in every way as to suggest that love and wellbeing of horses and horseracing is their prime concern rather than pure commerciality although like everyone else they must be commercial.
My concern is that their UK breeding operation does not seem as successful as the pedigrees and racing achievement of their broodmare band suggests it should be. If they could breed more top class homebreds they would not have to reinforce Godolphin with the purchase of mature horses each year.
Obviously people like Sal are deeply into this aspect of the sport and I wonder if they have views on this. Personnally I think they seem to select breedings which rely too much on nicking rather than looking at the pedigree as a whole. I am always happier when I see enourmous concentrations of blood duplications in the 6th and 7 th remove rather than close up inbreeding with stallions chosen to reinforce these concentrations and perhaps introduce a Rasmussen factor in the first 5 generations etc.
In any event I dont agree with the Tabloid thirst for a Coolmore v Godolphin/Darley confrontation and wish every success to both operations thereby underpinning the strength of UK racing.
Coolmore of course also have had some very bad years for them (at the end of the Kinane era and through the Jamie Spencer year) and that is inevitable but they are mainly buyers of racehorses whereas Godolphin/Darley have a broodmare strength even exceeding the Aga Khan and do not seem to be producing the top class animals they should.
I put forward that Cacique is a no better than Group 2/3 in this country, and people can’t wait to jump on my statement and ridicule it.
J…this is wher u do not do yourself any favours
My reply to your cacique point was pretty gentle and was my expert opinion ;) was backed up by Dj and Sal, who certainly know their stuff
Your reponse was a bit reminisent of the Timelords…
Other than than Cormack summed it up nicely. Ive learnt lots from this forum and often found that out by teasing out discussion, which can get robust at times. You have to take it on the chin if the facts go against you
The others do when im invariably proved right :)
Some of the Darley mating choices make me wince!  The Dalham Hall stud office has a huge map in the lobby, with little name flags showing the location of all their broodmares – I can happily stand there for an hour drooling over all the quality mares they have under their guardianship.
I’ve never sat down to analyse their choices as a whole to identify why they are not as successful as they should be – I’m not sure it is possible as they are so many other factors involved (training methods may come into it).  I think they suffer from the same problem as other big stallion studs – they have to patronise their own sires and those of their associates (or at least not those of their direct rivals), which means that sometimes mares are not being sent to their optimum stallions.
An awful lot of breeders seem to breed solely using complementary sire/dam sire lines rather than examining the whole pedigree, which is very frustrating, but I don’t think that is a unique thing that Darley is doing wrong.  Have to say that I’m not a big fan of Rasmussen, although I do some work with Petra Bloodstock who are very keen on it and have had success using that method.  I suppose Danehill is a good advert for it at the moment!  I find that for some mares it is impossible anyway – and it can mean mares get sent to otherwise unsuitable stallions just to get the inbreeding.  I’m not convinced of its efficacy.
But I completely agree with you about the Coolmore/Godolphin ‘war’ – it’s annoying to be assumed to have taken sides when actually there is much to like (and dislike) about both operations.
Quote: from Smithy on 3:00 pm on Oct. 27, 2006[br]A bizarre acquisition. They already have one German stallion in Lomitas and yet they want to buy another stoutly-bred individual of German upbringing!!
10,000 seems a lot of money for something that will be saddling bumper winners in years to come :biggrin: <br>
Can we please start calling them "future Canadian International winners" from now on.
Dear jackane,Everyone is not bad mouthing you just the participants on this subject.On another subject everyone might be supporting you. Anyhow I am not bad mouthing you am I?
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