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Conduit was well beaten in The Eclipse and won with a bit in hand against Tartan Bearer. The result should Sea The Stars or Rip Van Winkle meet the latter should be fairly obvious.
To be honest the side and front views show Tartan Bearer to be unlucky, he was beaten by the better horse but 1.75l flattered Conduit and he didnt have anything in hand imo, side on shows Tartan Bearer headed by Conduit who looked like he was going to sail but Tartan Beaer actually stayed on and battled on, Conduit began to make progress when Moore started leaning on him till the point he needed snatched up and this put him in 3rd only for Tartan Bear to easily make the ground back up on Ask.
If Moore never had done that I think Conduit would have won by a neck to half a length.
To be honest the side and front views show Tartan Bearer to be unlucky, he was beaten by the better horse but 1.75l flattered Conduit and he didnt have anything in hand imo, side on shows Tartan Bearer headed by Conduit who looked like he was going to sail but Tartan Beaer actually stayed on and battled on, Conduit began to make progress when Moore started leaning on him till the point he needed snatched up and this put him in 3rd only for Tartan Bear to easily make the ground back up on Ask.
If Moore never had done that I think Conduit would have won by a neck to half a length.
Conduit was always holding Tartan Bearer once he got his head in front and had more to call on if needed.
Conduit is a fantastic horse, but Fame And Glory would play with the pair of them and I wouldn’t like to think what Sea The Stars would do to Tartan Bearer over ten furlongs.
To be honest the side and front views show Tartan Bearer to be unlucky, he was beaten by the better horse but 1.75l flattered Conduit and he didnt have anything in hand imo, side on shows Tartan Bearer headed by Conduit who looked like he was going to sail but Tartan Beaer actually stayed on and battled on, Conduit began to make progress when Moore started leaning on him till the point he needed snatched up and this put him in 3rd only for Tartan Bear to easily make the ground back up on Ask.
If Moore never had done that I think Conduit would have won by a neck to half a length.
Conduit was always holding Tartan Bearer once he got his head in front and had more to call on if needed.
It’s always easy to hold when you are barging the horse and squezzing him up against another horse, but the other I actually think Conduit is a serious threat to The Arc and to break Stoute’s duck in the race, the ground shouldn’t be a problem at all for him, the Leger proved he could hack it imo, he will also appreciate the fast pace that will surely be set by Ballydoyle.
On lines through Pure Poetry and Evasive MCM is STS’ equal.
and on lines purely through themselves, then he’s not
you’re rather like those murderers who somehow convince themselves they didn’t do ‘it’. The more you regurgitate this nonsense to yourself, the sooner you’ll condition your mind to believe it’s all true
Oh well, Tartan Bearer deserved it after the way he treated Conduit as a foal.
I’m not convinced Conduit would be suited by the Arc. It can be a muddling race and I don’t think Longchamp will play to his strengths. However, I agree, Ballydoyle will no doubt enter a couple of pacemakers for Fame And Glory.
On the other hand, I said after the King George that Tartan Bearer would be a more attractive proposition for the race, but I’m unsure of Sir Michael’s plans for him.
I’m sitting on a Fame And Glory ante-post voucher at 12/1 and wouldn’t swap it for another bet in the race.
On lines through Pure Poetry and Evasive MCM is STS’ equal.
and on lines purely through themselves, then he’s not
you’re rather like those murderers who somehow convince themselves they didn’t do ‘it’. The more you regurgitate this nonsense to yourself, the sooner you’ll condition your mind to believe it’s all true
Yes, I’m like a murderer.
The Evasive formline puts MCM 1 length behind Sea The Stars, apologies for getting that wrong by 1 length, I was going off memory.
Pure Poetry was beaten 6 1/4L by Sea The Stars in the Guineas and the same by Mastercraftsman in the St. James’ Palace.
Yes or no?
yes, probably – I can’t be bothered to check. But I wasn’t talking about Evasive and Pure Poetry. I was talking about MCM and STS. You can talk about formlines all you like, I prefer to look at the one time they actually raced each other
do you really thing guys that ghanati run to her best today ?
i doubt very much
only 1 length in front of an handicapper horse
i think we havent see the real ghanaati here , future will tell us
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I’m usually quite confident when trying to judge one horse against another but hand on my heart I am at a loss to work out what the outcome of the Sea the Stars V Mastercraftsman is going to be. I do slightly prefer Sea the Stars but one of two things could happen and trying to work it out through form lines of horse like those Zarkava mantions is not the ay to go IMO.
Either Mastercraftsman will kick very early and take Sea the Stars of the bridle and get him into a duel when I think he would come out on top.
That could be a lot easier than one would think. Sea the Stars hasn’t met anything that can force a pace and sustain it like him. Golden Sword for example would be at least a stone less of a horse than Mastercraftsman and Lang Shining? enough said.
If Mastercraftsman hasn’t got the abilty to get Sea the Stars at it from some way out then the big horese will eat him alive and Mick Kinane has more than enough of the grey matter upstairs not to give him a hope in hell of fighting back like he did against Delegator. I would imagine he will be looking to keep him on the bridle as long as is possible and swoop very late.
As facinating as these races are for me it’s damn shame we dont have a 3 year old who has emerged as a great mile and a half horse.
The only hopes are Fame and Glory and possibly Harbinger. The former’s form in the Irish Derby has taken a right hammering which is a worry and Harbinger looked the part in the Gordon Stakes but that’s a far from a race like te Arc.
With Fame and Glory you only need to look at the filly today and how many of us thought she was special and it turns out when she meets a good horse she gets absolutely stuffed.
I actually like the horse more than I did pre Derby but the fact remains if he fails in the Arc it’s been a very poor crop of 1m4f horses so far.
An inspiring performance by Rip Van Winkle today..it was just hands and heels for the win.
Paco Boy ran well and if he was committed a bit earlier in the race he may have won but that’s racing…sometimes you just don’t get the race run to suit.
Ghanaati ran as well as she could and had a tough task taking on the highest of the three year old horses and a very proficient 6f-1m older horse.
She’s good but not that good.Ghanaati was disappointing but she ran too bad to be true, hasn’t Rip let down many a punter and he finally showed what he can do, I wouldn’t write her off just yet.
hasn’t Rip let down many a punter
Tbh honest,Red Riot,can’t see how you can compare Ghanaati getting beaten today to Rip Van Winkle bumping into one of the best horses we’ve seen for some time in the Guineas,Derby(where he didn’t handle the track) and the Eclipse…
Sea the Stars isn’t an easy horses to beat…
but Ghannati ran as well as expected but the competition she faced today was just too much.
hasn’t Rip let down many a punter
Tbh honest,Red Riot,can’t see how you can compare Ghanaati getting beaten today to Rip Van Winkle bumping into one of the best horses we’ve seen for some time in the Guineas,Derby(where he didn’t handle the track) and the Eclipse…
Sea the Stars isn’t an easy horses to beat…
but Ghannati ran as well as expected but the competition she faced today was just too much.
To be fair Rip was beaten by other horses in the Guineas and the Derby not just Sea The Stars.
I think it helps that they now have learned what suits the horse best. Today they didn’t do as they’ve done in most of his races and try and come from right off the pace they had him prominant and let him use his stride. Rather like Raven’s Pass last year Rip has become a better horse once they’ve stopped trying to "nurse him".
Look at the time he ran on Soft side of Good.
Beat all of Ballydoyles previous winners…..Looking foward to the BC Classic STS VS RIP…..
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