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    Istabraq
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    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/sussex-stakes/winner

    I wasn’t impressed by palace pier, would much rather be with Poetic Flair on good ground

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Id make palace pier 50/50 to turn up let alone win

    Poetic flare is a tempting price

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    TheTinMan87
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    I think Palace Pier is the more versatile of the two myself and although he visually looks like the one of the two who’d benefit from a step up in trip the reality is he’s been able to win Group 1’s regardless of the pace in the race (steady yesterday and in last years SJP, very strong in the Lockinge) and regardless of the ground. He’s not a slow horse by any stretch he just seems to travel less kindly than Poetic Flare. By contrast Poetic Flare appears to have benefitted from nicer ground and a strong pace in both his Group 1 wins and although he’s performed very well he’s been beaten in steadier run contests on worse ground in France and at the Curragh.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Would make a great match up
    Palace Pier needs a stronger pace than he had yesterday and also a longer lead and Poetic Flare would bring out the best in him. Worth noting Palace Pier was sweating a fair bit more than normal.
    That said with the weight allowance Poetic Flare could prove tough to crack but I’d side with the Gosden horse on the day but not AP with talk of stepping up or if staying at a mile the French race may also come into consideration

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #1545731
    Mike007
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    Poetic Flare 7-2 with cash out option.

    As mentioned in other thread PP wants a stiffer mile than Goodwood really when the ground is quick. They didnt go last year over concern with the sharp mile and they are already thinking about a race at 10f as well in this campaign.
    St Marks Bassilica is next best in the market and i don’t see the sharp mile on fast ground at Goodwood suiting him better than Poetic Flare.

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    TheTinMan87
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    To be fair Mike its hard to argue with that logic the only plausible opposition I can see to Poetic Flare if not Palace Pier is Master Of The Seas but not sure what the timeline is regarding his recovery from injury and I don’t think he’s even entered? I believe Lucky Vega has been retired now after yesterday. The older milers as we know are pretty ordinary bar PP.

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    darren83
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    Same as Mike Poetic Flare 7/2 I think Palace pier not turn up

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    Battleground win @ 16’s

    Looks as a good a time as any.

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    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Would love to see Baaeed supplemented for this.

    Not seen any such suggestions from connections, sadly.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Sounds like they are minding him looking to protect him a little for next year

    What I read suggests he was going to have a bit of a break then have another run outside of group 1s before stepping up in grade at the end of the season

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Market beginning to strongly suggest palace pier isn’t running

    Poetic flare as short as evs in places

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    mickeyjp
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    Unless battleground or Wembley get back to form then it’s a penalty kick for poetic flare.
    Order of Australia set to run but can’t see him winning although a good ew bet. Be very disappointing if pp didn’t run.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Palace Pier confirmed as being out

    Suffered a blood condition after ascot

    Goes to the JLM same as last year

    Dissapointed the owners aren’t being ambitious and going for the juddmonte

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Its a very interesting race now that snow lantern and alcohol free are both taking on poetic flare

    The colts 3yo mile division has had no depth at all

    So be interesting to see who comes out on top

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    Ground conditions now throw the race a bit up in the air re Poetic Flare’s chance as his best runs have come on quick ground.
    I like Snow Lantern (felt she really should have won at Royal Ascot) but also don’t dismiss Century Dream (as although fairly exposed) he won last year’s Celebration Mile over course and distance on soft ground and can front run which may be the best place to be with a lot of the favoured horses needing to come from off the pace which could invite traffic problems.

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    TheTinMan87
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    Reminds me of the year Ribchester got beat by Here Comes When at 20/1. I wouldn’t be touching any shorties this week its proper specialist ground. To be honest I hate punting when the ground gets like this as you get the known mudlarks shortening to silly prices and you either have to take a chance on something with proven ability you aren’t sure about on the ground or accept you’ve missed the value on the mudlarks… or steer clear entirely.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Palace Pier dropping out and the weather seems to have helped Hannon’s decision coming here
    good luck

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